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Cob: RE: RE: RE: Mud HutAbe Connally abe at abeconnally.comThu Jan 16 13:28:13 PST 2003
This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2BD73.E28BD9E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit RE: Mud HutBen, That is exactly my point. You shouldn't feel trapped in the the modern world. Be "part" of it and everything around you, just like the Native Americans. Your environment is different, but I am sure you will find that you have a lot in common with a man living 10,000 years ago. Sure, you could argue that life was simpler, focused, less strssful, etc. But it also was hard work, dangerous, and extremely difficult (most people had a life span of about 25 years). The world is always the same, but it is how you look at it and your surroundings that changes. I am sure that there were plenty of pre-modern men that felt their life was pretty pointless and drab. But that is only the perception of what is really there. Look at the world we live in!!! Be excited that you can communicate with anyone in the world no matter where you live. I, for one, would not even be living off the grid, if it hadn't been for the grid. ya know :) There is the same amount of earth under your feet in San Francisco as the middle of Africa. Plant a garden in your backyard, make a cob bread oven (one of my favorite projects because you get to eat your rewards!!!!), recycle, love life, and have fun! You can balance modern vs traditional. There is no such thing as third world, first world. We only have one world. Make the most of it! Cob a little every day. Abe -----Original Message----- From: Ben Harrison [mailto:bharrison at crystald.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:53 PM To: 'Abe Connally'; coblist at deatech.com Subject: RE: RE: RE: Mud Hut Point well taken. I envy you. I'm 37years young, married for 13 years this month and have an 8year old son. I work in the video games industry in the Bay area and while I enjoy a comfortable life style free from debt except for a very managable mortgage payment, I long for a different kind of lifestyle. Alot of people would kill to have my life. I love my family emmensly and would never put my own desires/excentricities above their well being but there is a part of me that would love to do what you and so many of the others on this list are doing or trying to do. I'm an artist and a dreamer that feels trapped in this modern life. So, I guess I'll have to live vicariously through the rest of you and count my blessings. -----Original Message----- From: Abe Connally [mailto:abe at abeconnally.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:19 AM To: coblist at deatech.com Subject: Cob: RE: RE: Mud Hut Yes, Joseph Campbell can illustrate the path for anyone. Another good read of his is "The Hero with a Thousand Faces" What we must learn is how to merge our current knowledge and technology with the balance of the past. There is no reason why one cannot have both. Build with cob, use alternative energy, and still surf the net in the afternoon. Actually, the best example is this list. A discussion of like minds that spans continents, but the subject matter is over 10,000 years old. My girlfriend and I are building a self-sustainable home nessled in the mountains of the Chihuahuan desert. We are building out of cob and stone (both readily available)and including the standard gridless setup (ie.. rainwater catchment, solar and wind energy, passive solar design, etc). We are also including modern conveniences like High speed satellite internet access, propane refrigeration, electric lights, etc. Anything is possible. Just focus your thoughts and energy on what needs to be accomplished, and then look and what you lack. If done in the right frame of mind, you will never lack anything. -----Original Message----- From: owner-coblist at deatech.com [mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]On Behalf Of Ben Harrison Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:42 AM To: 'sarah kercheval'; coblist at deatech.com Subject: Cob: RE: Mud Hut I happen to own this book. I picked it up from Borders books several months ago. It really is a great book. It's pretty much the only comprehensive book I've been able to find on "primative architecture" of any kind. I would highly recommend it to anyone interested in such things. I thoroughly agree with Sarah's sentiments. There used to be a balance between man and nature. When I look at what the world has become and the world that the native Americans thrived in, their world looks quite utopian by comparison. It was only when man put himself above nature (rather than a humble piece within nature) that the slow but steady march toward this mess that we have now began. You could blame it on the rise of the Europeans(of which I'm decended) but it really goes back to the birth of the the Judao-Christian religions. There was a time when my ancestors in Europe lived much like the native Americans. Yes, like it or not, religion and science are both equally to blame for the dead end road we find ourselves racing down. The Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell is another great book I would recommend. -----Original Message----- From: sarah kercheval [mailto:hi_eagle at hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:15 AM To: coblist at deatech.com Subject: Cob: Mud Hut Yes, I agree, just call it what it is, and be proud! Check out a really great book called Native American Architecture, the next time you're at the library. It is a great resource of natural buildings that populated our landscape not too long ago. We are looking to pruchase this book in the future to reinforce our proof that what you live in is not as important as HOW you live, ie, safe healthy, eco concious living structures. The proof positive that these structures are superior, is in the fact that they no longer can be seen standing in most places. They are gentler and kinder to the earth in that they go back to it when their time is over. This is in itself natural. Sarah >From: "neana" <neana at terraworld.net> >Reply-To: "neana" <neana at terraworld.net> >To: coblist at deatech.com >Subject: RE: Cob: adobe/cob Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:20:36 -0600 > >Everytime I mention these concepts to someone who is not 'into natural >building', they cut across all of our carefully worded definitions and >exclaim, "Are you REALLY going to build a MUD HUT?". Since I have planned >an amalgamation(sp?) of methods from the beginning, I have quit fighting >and just answer, "Yep. Got a problem with that?". > >;) >Neana >PS: Very punny, Matt! 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Version: 6.0.377 / Virus Database: 211 - Release Date: 7/15/2002 ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2BD73.E28BD9E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable <!DOCTYPE HTML PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD HTML 4.0 Transitional//EN"> <HTML><HEAD><TITLE>RE: Mud Hut</TITLE> <META http-equiv=3DContent-Type content=3D"text/html; = charset=3DISO-8859-1"> <META content=3D"MSHTML 6.00.2713.1100" name=3DGENERATOR></HEAD> <BODY> <DIV><SPAN class=3D080322120-16012003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Ben,</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D080322120-16012003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D080322120-16012003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>That=20 is exactly my point. You shouldn't feel trapped in the the modern=20 world. Be "part" of it and everything around you, just like the = Native=20 Americans. Your environment is different, but I am sure you = will find=20 that you have a lot in common with a man living 10,000 years = ago. =20 Sure, you could argue that life was simpler, focused, less strssful, = etc. =20 But it also was hard work, dangerous, and extremely difficult (most = people had a=20 life span of about 25 years). The world is always the same, but it = is how=20 you look at it and your surroundings that changes. I am sure that = there=20 were plenty of pre-modern men that felt their life was = pretty=20 pointless and drab.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D080322120-16012003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D080322120-16012003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>But=20 that is only the perception of what is really there. Look at the = world we=20 live in!!! Be excited that you can communicate with anyone in the = world no=20 matter where you live. I, for one, would not even be living off = the grid,=20 if it hadn't been for the grid. ya know = :)</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D080322120-16012003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D080322120-16012003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>There=20 is the same amount of earth under your feet in San Francisco as the = middle of=20 Africa. Plant a garden in your backyard, make a cob bread oven = (one of my=20 favorite projects because you get to eat your rewards!!!!), recycle, = love life,=20 and have fun!</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D080322120-16012003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D080322120-16012003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>You=20 can balance modern vs traditional. There is no such thing as third = world,=20 first world. We only have one world. Make the most of = it! Cob=20 a little every day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D080322120-16012003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D080322120-16012003><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff = size=3D2>Abe</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Harrison=20 [mailto:bharrison at crystald.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 16, = 2003=20 12:53 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Abe Connally'; = coblist at deatech.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20 RE: RE: RE: Mud Hut<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D136283218-16012003><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>Point well taken. I envy you. I'm 37years young, married for = 13 years=20 this month and have an 8year old son.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D136283218-16012003><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>I=20 work in the video games industry in the Bay area and while I enjoy a=20 comfortable life style free from debt</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D136283218-16012003><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>except for a very managable mortgage payment, I long for a = different=20 kind of lifestyle. Alot of people would</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D136283218-16012003><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>kill=20 to have my life. I love my family emmensly and would never put my own=20 desires/excentricities above their</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D136283218-16012003><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>well=20 being but there is a part of me that would love to do what you and so = many of=20 the others on this list are </FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D136283218-16012003><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2>doing or trying to do. I'm an artist and a dreamer that feels = trapped=20 in this modern life. So, I guess I'll have to</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D136283218-16012003><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>live=20 vicariously </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=3D136283218-16012003><FONT = face=3DArial=20 color=3D#0000ff size=3D2>through the rest of you and count my=20 blessings.</FONT></SPAN></DIV> <DIV><SPAN class=3D136283218-16012003><FONT face=3DArial = color=3D#0000ff=20 size=3D2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Abe Connally=20 [mailto:abe at abeconnally.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 16, = 2003=20 10:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> coblist at deatech.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Cob: = RE: RE:=20 Mud Hut<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D820181118-16012003>Yes,</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D820181118-16012003>Joseph Campbell can illustrate the path = for=20 anyone. Another good read of his is "The Hero with a Thousand=20 Faces"</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D820181118-16012003>What we must learn is how to merge our = current=20 knowledge and technology with the balance of the past. = There is=20 no reason why one cannot have both. Build with cob, use = alternative=20 energy, and still surf the net in the afternoon. Actually, the = best=20 example is this list. A discussion of like minds that spans=20 continents, but the subject matter is over 10,000 years=20 old.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN = class=3D820181118-16012003>My=20 girlfriend and I are building a self-sustainable home nessled in the = mountains of the Chihuahuan desert. We are building out of cob = and=20 stone (both readily available)and including the standard gridless = setup=20 (ie.. rainwater catchment, solar and wind energy, passive solar = design,=20 etc). We are also including modern conveniences like High = speed=20 satellite internet access, propane refrigeration, electric lights,=20 etc.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D820181118-16012003>Anything is possible. Just focus = your=20 thoughts and energy on what needs to be accomplished, and then look = and what=20 you lack. If done in the right frame of mind, you will never = lack=20 anything.</SPAN></FONT></DIV> <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20 class=3D820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px"> <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT = face=3DTahoma=20 size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>=20 owner-coblist at deatech.com [mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]<B>On = Behalf=20 Of </B>Ben Harrison<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 16, 2003 = 11:42=20 AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'sarah kercheval'; = coblist at deatech.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>=20 Cob: RE: Mud Hut<BR><BR></FONT></DIV> <P><FONT size=3D2>I happen to own this book. I picked it up from = Borders=20 books several months</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>ago. It really is a = great=20 book. It's pretty much the only comprehensive book = </FONT><BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>I've been able to find on "primative architecture" of any = kind. I=20 would highly </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>recommend it to anyone = interested in=20 such things. I thoroughly agree with Sarah's</FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>sentiments. There used to be a balance between man and = nature. When=20 I look at what </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>the world has become and = the world=20 that the native Americans thrived in, their world </FONT><BR><FONT = size=3D2>looks quite utopian by comparison. It was only when man = put himself=20 above nature</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>(rather than a humble piece = within=20 nature) that the slow but steady march toward this = </FONT><BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>mess that we have now began. You could blame it on the = rise of the=20 Europeans(of which I'm decended)</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>but it = really=20 goes back to the birth of the the Judao-Christian religions. There = was</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>a time when my ancestors in Europe = lived much=20 like the native Americans. Yes, like it or not, </FONT><BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>religion and science are both equally to blame for the = dead end=20 road we find ourselves racing down.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>The = Power of=20 Myth by Joseph Campbell is another great book I would=20 recommend. </FONT></P> <P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>From:=20 sarah kercheval [<A=20 = href=3D"mailto:hi_eagle at hotmail.com">mailto:hi_eagle at hotmail.com</A>]</FO= NT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:15 AM</FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>To: coblist at deatech.com</FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>Subject: Cob: Mud=20 Hut</FONT> </P><BR> <P><FONT size=3D2>Yes, I agree, just call it what it is, and be=20 proud!</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Check out a really great book = called Native=20 American Architecture, the next </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>time = you're at the=20 library. It is a great resource of natural buildings=20 </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>that populated our landscape not too = long=20 ago. We are looking to pruchase </FONT><BR><FONT = size=3D2>this book in=20 the future to reinforce our proof that what you live in is not=20 </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>as important as HOW you live, ie, safe = healthy,=20 eco concious living </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>structures.</FONT> = <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>The proof positive that these structures are superior, is = in the=20 fact that </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>they no longer can be seen = standing in=20 most places. They are gentler and </FONT><BR><FONT = size=3D2>kinder to=20 the earth in that they go back to it when their time is = over.</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>This is in itself natural.</FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>Sarah</FONT> </P><BR> <P><FONT size=3D2>>From: "neana" = <neana at terraworld.net></FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>>Reply-To: "neana" = <neana at terraworld.net></FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>>To: coblist at deatech.com</FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>>Subject: RE: Cob: adobe/cob Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 = 09:20:36=20 -0600</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT = size=3D2>>Everytime I=20 mention these concepts to someone who is not 'into natural=20 </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>>building', they cut across all of = our=20 carefully worded definitions and </FONT><BR><FONT = size=3D2>>exclaim, "Are=20 you REALLY going to build a MUD HUT?". Since I have planned=20 </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>>an amalgamation(sp?) of methods from = the=20 beginning, I have quit fighting </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>>and = just=20 answer, "Yep. Got a problem with that?".</FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>>;)</FONT> <BR><FONT=20 size=3D2>>Neana</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>>PS: Very punny, = Matt!</FONT>=20 </P><BR> <P><FONT size=3D2>Custom Waldorf Dolls available for you or a = special little=20 friend:</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"http://www.angelfire.com/sk/clothdiaperlove/dolls2.html"=20 = target=3D_blank>http://www.angelfire.com/sk/clothdiaperlove/dolls2.html</= A></FONT>=20 </P> <P><FONT=20 = size=3D2>________________________________________________________________= _</FONT>=20 <BR><FONT size=3D2>MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 = months FREE*.=20 </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2><A=20 href=3D"http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail"=20 = target=3D_blank>http://join.msn.com/?page=3Dfeatures/junkmail</A></FONT> = </P></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML> ------=_NextPart_000_000A_01C2BD73.E28BD9E0--
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