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[Cob] European project that needs a volunteer?Robert Matthews rob at drtwiggy.comTue Aug 17 15:29:12 CDT 2004
Dear List members, I am looking for a European project to volunteer on? Is anyone doing a cob project early next year? Robert -----Original Message----- From: coblist-bounces at deatech.com [mailto:coblist-bounces at deatech.com] On Behalf Of Jessica Ellen Kirkwood Weaver Sent: 17 August 2004 19:02 To: coblist at deatech.com Subject: [Cob] RE: Coblist Digest, Vol 2, Issue 72 Hi! I'm wondering who else is going to BC. What are people doing about beds and overnights? Are people camping, if so where? Also I read Dulane's request and if you still need help I don't have any experience buts lots of time. I live near Olympia. >From: coblist-request at deatech.com >Reply-To: coblist at deatech.com >To: coblist at deatech.com >Subject: Coblist Digest, Vol 2, Issue 72 >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 07:34:07 -0700 > >Send Coblist mailing list submissions to > coblist at deatech.com > >To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://www.deatech.com/mailman/listinfo/coblist >or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > coblist-request at deatech.com > >You can reach the person managing the list at > coblist-owner at deatech.com > >When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific >than "Re: Contents of Coblist digest..." > > >Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: anybody need free labor? (who_dat at ephytol.com) > 2. Re: anybody need free labor? (Dorothy Bothne) > 3. Seattle Cobbing Project (Dulane) > 4. RE: anybody need free labor? (Abe Connally) > 5. Re: Cobbing in N. Seattle (Dulane) > 6. Stone in cob (Brent Flaco Wilson) > 7. Re: Clay&Bool- Stone in cob (dirtcheapbuilder-Charmaine Taylor) > 8. Re: Clay&Bool- Stone in cob (Joseph R Dupont) > 9. RE: clay& bool (Mary Lou McFarland) > 10. RE: Stone in cob (Amanda Peck) > 11. RE: RE: Stone in cob (Bonnie Morse) > 12. Re: RE: Stone in cob (otherfish) > 13. Re: RE: Stone in cob (phil) > > >--------------------------------------------------------------------- - > >Message: 1 >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:31:12 -0500 >From: <who_dat at ephytol.com> >Subject: Re: [Cob] anybody need free labor? >To: <abe at abeconnally.com>, <coblist at deatech.com> >Message-ID: <001d01c48185$3efd07e0$ed18fea9 at red> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hello all! (first post here =) > >Abe do you have planned dates you intend to start cobbing? I live in the >Dallas area but would gladly make the drive to help and learn, especially >since I have yet to get my feet muddy ;) > >Eric > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Abe Connally" <abe at abeconnally.com> >To: <coblist at deatech.com> >Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 3:05 PM >Subject: RE: [Cob] anybody need free labor? > > > > We are building a cob house and would love some newbies to come out and >learn! > > We are located in the Big Bend Region of Texas. > > > > If anyone wants to cob, we have plenty!!! > > > > Abe > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 2 >Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:51:40 -0700 (PDT) >From: Dorothy Bothne <dbothne54 at yahoo.com> >Subject: Re: [Cob] anybody need free labor? >To: coblist at deatech.com >Message-ID: <20040813235140.73939.qmail at web41808.mail.yahoo.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >Eric, >we're a couple of hours south of you (just north of >austin) and we're cobbing every weekend. we always >welcome the help too. >Dorothy > > >--- who_dat at ephytol.com wrote: > > > Hello all! (first post here =) > > > > Abe do you have planned dates you intend to start > > cobbing? I live in the > > Dallas area but would gladly make the drive to help > > and learn, especially > > since I have yet to get my feet muddy ;) > > > > Eric > > > > > > > >__________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Mail - 50x more storage than other providers! >http://promotions.yahoo.com/new_mail > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 3 >Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:32:26 -0700 >From: "Dulane" <silkworm at spiderhollow.com> >Subject: [Cob] Seattle Cobbing Project >To: "Cob" <coblist at deatech.com> >Message-ID: <003301c48224$ab20bee0$6501a8c0 at attbi.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Hello, >I have a small garden project and am looking for help in the north Seattle >area. I will pay $10 per hour for several days work. I am hoping for someone >with experience. There is room here for camping if that helps. >Dulane > >There are solutions to the major problems of our time, some of them even >simple. But they require a radical shift in our perceptions, our thinking, >and our values. > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 4 >Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:25:07 -0500 >From: "Abe Connally" <abe at abeconnally.com> >Subject: RE: [Cob] anybody need free labor? >To: <who_dat at ephytol.com>, "Coblist" <coblist at deatech.com> >Message-ID: <MBBBIFEBNJKOPBJIMPHKCEAAELAA.abe at abeconnally.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >Eric, > >We are cobbing right now. We should be cobbing through October, and then we >will be cobbing again in March through June of next year. Come on down anytime! >We have plenty of cob! > >Abe > >-----Original Message----- >From: who_dat at ephytol.com [mailto:who_dat at ephytol.com] >Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:31 PM >To: abe at abeconnally.com; coblist at deatech.com >Subject: Re: [Cob] anybody need free labor? > > >Hello all! (first post here =) > >Abe do you have planned dates you intend to start cobbing? I live in the >Dallas area but would gladly make the drive to help and learn, especially >since I have yet to get my feet muddy ;) > >Eric > > >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Abe Connally" <abe at abeconnally.com> >To: <coblist at deatech.com> >Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 3:05 PM >Subject: RE: [Cob] anybody need free labor? > > > > We are building a cob house and would love some newbies to come out and >learn! > > We are located in the Big Bend Region of Texas. > > > > If anyone wants to cob, we have plenty!!! > > > > Abe > > > > > > >--- > >Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). >Version: 6.0.548 / Virus Database: 341 - Release Date: 12/5/2003 > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 5 >Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:50:25 -0700 >From: "Dulane" <silkworm at spiderhollow.com> >Subject: [Cob] Re: Cobbing in N. Seattle >To: "Cob" <coblist at deatech.com> >Message-ID: <003801c48333$665f2a20$6501a8c0 at attbi.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >I've had a wonderful response to my request for help. I will respond to >folks right away. I probably will not need anyone else, judging by the >emails already received. >This is a great email forum. Active and full of good tips and knowledge. >Thanks, >Dulane > >There are solutions to the major problems of our time, some of them even >simple. But they require a radical shift in our perceptions, our thinking, >and our values. > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 6 >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:41:39 +0000 >From: "Brent Flaco Wilson" <realm_fitness at hotmail.com> >Subject: [Cob] Stone in cob >To: ap615 at hotmail.com, coblist.to.theq at xoxy.net, coblist at deatech.com >Message-ID: <BAY9-F30CdUxX42U53j00012fa5 at hotmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >Has anyone ever built a home using stones with cob as mortar? Given you >have a rubble trench footing. Also interested in "plastering a cob home on >the south facing sidewith stone, perhaps like veneer stones, flag stones, or >mayb embedding smooth flat stones gatherd from the coast. The stones will >be great for insulation-radiation purposes. I guess one could do a whole >room on the interior that way with stones, coral, shells, and starfish for >the bathroom beach effect. I have seen cob benches in portland with mosaic >work so this idea of stones seems reasonable? > > > >From: "Amanda Peck" <ap615 at hotmail.com> > >To: coblist.to.theq at xoxy.net, coblist at deatech.com > >Subject: RE: [Cob] Re: Cob in British Columbia > >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:31:04 -0500 > > > > > >As far as I can tell, the big thing with cob (among many other styles of > >building, including conventional) is moisture control. You don't want > >hydraulic pressure on it--or its foundation, let alone streams of water > >washing down the hill onto it. Cob tempers indoor humidity pretty well, > >but does it do well in the rain forest (tropical or temperate)? Ask > >somebody, keep your eyes open. (how humid is the area with cob houses in > >New Zealand? how do those old old old cob houses in Britain do) You could > >report back. > > > >If you can keep moisture out/off of it, and are able to put a really solid > >base down, I'd think that most anything would take an earthen floor. Not > >for your second story condo, especially if it was the one in Nashville TN > >that was rumored to sway before the brick facing was put up. > > > >Actually, maybe not for second stories period. I'm not planning it. > > > >............ > >Patrick and Chris wrote: > > > >---------- > >Thanks to all (especially Ian for the enjoyable phone conversation!) for > >the links, information, and inspiration. > > > >We're packing to head up into BC shortly, so will be in pondering mode for > >a bit. A couple of things I'll be pondering (and would welcome comment > >upon). > >- Earthen floors for thermal mass in a more conventional structure > >- Covering strawbales with cob (does the cob share the load-bearing?) > >- Has anyone ever considered interior walls of cob in a conventional > >structure (if cob is not feasible wherever we end up)? > > > >I imagine we'll be in brainstorming mode for some time. Thanks for your > >help and thoughts - this list is fascinating! > > > >Cheers! > > - Patrick & Chris > >_______________________________________________ > >Coblist mailing list > >Coblist at deatech.com > >http://www.deatech.com/mailman/listinfo/coblist > > > >_________________________________________________________________ > >Dont just search. Find. Check out the new MSN Search! > >http://search.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200636ave/direct/01/ > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >Coblist mailing list > >Coblist at deatech.com > >http://www.deatech.com/mailman/listinfo/coblist > >_________________________________________________________________ >On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to >get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 7 >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:03:54 -0700 >From: dirtcheapbuilder-Charmaine Taylor <tms at northcoast.com> >Subject: Re: [Cob] Clay&Bool- Stone in cob >To: "Brent Flaco Wilson" <realm_fitness at hotmail.com> >Cc: coblist at deatech.com, coblist.to.theq at xoxy.net >Message-ID: <66CC2C82-EFBF-11D8-8EBB-000D93C26BB0 at northcoast.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed > >This is an old Scottish method called "Clay & Bool" where stones are >embedded in a clay-cob mix. >It will be very very rustic, and there may be air gaps after some >shrinkage...but you could try it. > >below is an image of a riverstone and clay wall done in 1800's in >Placerville CA..it is now a trendy art cafe', and they put in a brick >surround, with an entry door. > >I can srcatch the clay out with a fingernail but it is very durable as >evidenced by it's current use the temp is very comfortable inside, >cool, whern it is 105 deg, outside.. > >http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/PLACER~1.JPG > > > Charmaine Taylor Publishing books at dirtcheapbuilder.com >PO Box 375 Cutten CA 95534 USA -- 707-441-1632 >www.dirtcheapbuilder.com & www.papercrete.com >NEW! dirtcheapbuilder CD Info- 4,000+ Pdf pages- $7. > > >On Aug 16, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Brent Flaco Wilson wrote: > > > Has anyone ever built a home using stones with cob as mortar? Given > > you have a rubble trench footing. Also interested in "plastering a > > cob home on the south facing sidewith stone, perhaps like veneer > > stones, flag stones, or mayb embedding smooth flat stones gatherd from > > the coast. The stones will be great for insulation-radiation > > purposes. I guess one could do a whole room on the interior that way > > with stones, coral, shells, and starfish for the bathroom beach > > effect. I have seen cob benches in portland with mosaic work so this > > idea of stones seems reasonable? > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 8 >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:09:47 -0400 >From: Joseph R Dupont <joedupont at juno.com> >Subject: Re: [Cob] Clay&Bool- Stone in cob >To: tms at northcoast.com >Cc: realm_fitness at hotmail.com, coblist at deatech.com, > coblist.to.theq at xoxy.net >Message-ID: <20040816.160956.-1991625.8.joedupont at juno.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > >has anyone mixed in paperpulp to COB as a reinforcer? >On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:03:54 -0700 dirtcheapbuilder-Charmaine Taylor ><tms at northcoast.com> writes: > > This is an old Scottish method called "Clay & Bool" where stones > > are > > embedded in a clay-cob mix. > > It will be very very rustic, and there may be air gaps after some > > shrinkage...but you could try it. > > > > below is an image of a riverstone and clay wall done in 1800's in > > Placerville CA..it is now a trendy art cafe', and they put in a > > brick > > surround, with an entry door. > > > > I can srcatch the clay out with a fingernail but it is very durable > > as > > evidenced by it's current use the temp is very comfortable inside, > > cool, whern it is 105 deg, outside.. > > > > http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/PLACER~1.JPG > > > > > Charmaine Taylor Publishing books at dirtcheapbuilder.com > > PO Box 375 Cutten CA 95534 USA -- 707-441-1632 > > www.dirtcheapbuilder.com & www.papercrete.com > > NEW! dirtcheapbuilder CD Info- 4,000+ Pdf pages- $7. > > > > > > On Aug 16, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Brent Flaco Wilson wrote: > > > > > Has anyone ever built a home using stones with cob as mortar? > > Given > > > you have a rubble trench footing. Also interested in "plastering > > a > > > cob home on the south facing sidewith stone, perhaps like veneer > > > stones, flag stones, or mayb embedding smooth flat stones gatherd > > from > > > the coast. The stones will be great for insulation-radiation > > > purposes. I guess one could do a whole room on the interior that > > way > > > with stones, coral, shells, and starfish for the bathroom beach > > > effect. I have seen cob benches in portland with mosaic work so > > this > > > idea of stones seems reasonable? > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Coblist mailing list > > Coblist at deatech.com > > http://www.deatech.com/mailman/listinfo/coblist > > > > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 9 >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:03:14 -0500 >From: "Mary Lou McFarland" <louiethefifth at hotmail.com> >Subject: [Cob] RE: clay& bool >To: Coblist at deatech.com >Message-ID: <BAY18-F10mIz0ucTxhH00041f48 at hotmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > >When using this method ,is there any effort to plaster over the mortar area? >or with so little cob showing is any protection redundent? IAre the stones >embedded during construction or is this added later as a siding? In the >area where the building sits ( from your attachment) is the weather severe >with driving winds and rain or is it just a temporate climate? > >_________________________________________________________________ >Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! Download today - it's FREE! >http://messenger.msn.click-url.com/go/onm00200471ave/direct/01/ > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 10 >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:26:48 -0500 >From: "Amanda Peck" <ap615 at hotmail.com> >Subject: [Cob] RE: Stone in cob >To: coblist at deatech.com >Message-ID: <BAY8-F19Anv2Ew2wDeW000070af at hotmail.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed > > >Probably. > >For sure Rob Roy and Ianto Evans did some cordwood masonry with cob as >mortar. > >A propos of not a whole lot, I've been reading a mystery story involving an >earthquake. Author gives lots of information about earthquakes. Her point >is that the sizes and shapes of particles in mortar are what is important, >not all the same, and for sure not all rounded. (Sarah Andrews, Fault Line) >.................. >Brent Flaco Wilson writes: > >Has anyone ever built a home using stones with cob as mortar? Given you >have a rubble trench footing. Also interested in "plastering a cob home on >the south facing sidewith stone, perhaps like veneer stones, flag stones, or >mayb embedding smooth flat stones gatherd from the coast. The stones will >be great for insulation-radiation purposes. I guess one could do a whole >room on the interior that way with stones, coral, shells, and starfish for >the bathroom beach effect. I have seen cob benches in portland with mosaic >work so this idea of stones seems reasonable? > >_________________________________________________________________ >On the road to retirement? Check out MSN Life Events for advice on how to >get there! http://lifeevents.msn.com/category.aspx?cid=Retirement > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 11 >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:51:59 -0700 >From: "Bonnie Morse" <bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com> >Subject: RE: [Cob] RE: Stone in cob >To: <coblist at deatech.com> >Message-ID: > <NOEJLLELMNNFELDCMLHKCEHCCGAA.bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" > >My old Materials Science book from college said that gravel with sharp edges >makes stronger concrete than gravel with smooth edges. I guess the same >would apply to sand particles in mortar or cob. > >Bonnie in OR > >-----Original Message----- >From: coblist-bounces at deatech.com [mailto:coblist-bounces at deatech.com]On >Behalf Of Amanda Peck > ><snipped> > >A propos of not a whole lot, I've been reading a mystery story involving an >earthquake. Author gives lots of information about earthquakes. Her point >is that the sizes and shapes of particles in mortar are what is important, >not all the same, and for sure not all rounded. (Sarah Andrews, Fault Line) > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 12 >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:20:41 -0700 >From: otherfish <otherfish at comcast.net> >Subject: Re: [Cob] RE: Stone in cob >To: Bonnie Morse <bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com>, > <coblist at deatech.com> >Message-ID: <BD469D68.552C%otherfish at comcast.net> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" > >Cob gets it's strength from being built massivly as COB, not something else. >Cob bonds well with cob, but poorly with other materials. Cob as mortar >will do little more than simply fill the spaces between whatever you are >mortating. The compressice strength of cob is low comparred to cordwood or >stone. Using cob as a mortar in a stone or cordwood construction will make >the mortar the weakest link in the wall system. >Not something I'd do. >If you want a mortar that doesn't use portland cement, go for lime sand >mortar. It haS a long history of successful use as mortar. > >john fordice > > >on 8/16/04 3:51 PM, Bonnie Morse at bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com wrote: > > > My old Materials Science book from college said that gravel with sharp edges > > makes stronger concrete than gravel with smooth edges. I guess the same > > would apply to sand particles in mortar or cob. > > > > Bonnie in OR > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: coblist-bounces at deatech.com [mailto:coblist-bounces at deatech.com]On > > Behalf Of Amanda Peck > > > > <snipped> > > > > A propos of not a whole lot, I've been reading a mystery story involving an > > earthquake. Author gives lots of information about earthquakes. Her point > > is that the sizes and shapes of particles in mortar are what is important, > > not all the same, and for sure not all rounded. (Sarah Andrews, Fault Line) > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Coblist mailing list > > Coblist at deatech.com > > http://www.deatech.com/mailman/listinfo/coblist > > > > >------------------------------ > >Message: 13 >Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:32:59 -0400 (EDT) >From: "phil" <phawn1 at excite.com> >Subject: Re: [Cob] RE: Stone in cob >To: otherfish at comcast.net, bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com, > coblist at deatech.com >Message-ID: <20040817143259.66C3F3DF3 at xprdmailfe12.nwk.excite.com> >Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > > >We are currently working on a cob-cordwood home here in NC. We have added about 5% lime to the cob for extra strength and short of taking a sledge hammer to the wall (I dare anyone to do that to their home) it has bonded well witht he wood. VERY hard and quick setting as a mortar. We also haven't had a lot of shrinkage. Time will tell as to durabilty. > >Phil Hawn, President >The North Carolina Natural Building Coalition >http://naturalbuilder.org >cob, strawbale, cordwood and other sustainable earthbuilding techniques > > --- On Mon 08/16, otherfish < otherfish at comcast.net > wrote: >From: otherfish [mailto: otherfish at comcast.net] >To: bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com, coblist at deatech.com >Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:20:41 -0700 >Subject: Re: [Cob] RE: Stone in cob > >Cob gets it's strength from being built massivly as COB, not something else.<br>Cob bonds well with cob, but poorly with other materials. Cob as mortar<br>will do little more than simply fill the spaces between whatever you are<br>mortating. The compressice strength of cob is low comparred to cordwood or<br>stone. Using cob as a mortar in a stone or cordwood construction will make<br>the mortar the weakest link in the wall system.<br>Not something I'd do.<br>If you want a mortar that doesn't use portland cement, go for lime sand<br>mortar. It haS a long history of successful use as mortar.<br><br>john fordice<br><br><br>on 8/16/04 3:51 PM, Bonnie Morse at bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com wrote:<br><br>> My old Materials Science book from college said that gravel with sharp edges<br>> makes stronger concrete than gravel with smooth edges. I guess the same<br>> would apply to sand particles in mortar or cob.<br>> <br>> Bonnie in OR<br>> <br>> -----Original Message-----<br>> From: coblist-bounces at deatech.com [mailto:coblist-bounces at deatech.com]On<br>> Behalf Of Amanda Peck<br>> <br>> <snipped><br>> <br>> A propos of not a whole lot, I've been reading a mystery story involving an<br>> earthquake. Author gives lots of information about earthquakes. Her point<br>> is that the sizes and shapes of particles in mortar are what is important,<br>> not all the same, and for sure not all rounded. (Sarah Andrews, Fault Line)<br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Coblist mailing list<br>> Coblist at deatech.com<br>> http://www.deatech.com/mailman/listinfo/coblist<br><br><br>___________ ____________________________________<br>Coblist mailing list<br>Coblist at deatech.com<br>http://www.deatech.com/mailman/listinfo /coblist<br> > >_______________________________________________ >Join Excite! - http://www.excite.com >The most personalized portal on the Web! > > > >------------------------------ > >_______________________________________________ >Coblist mailing list >Coblist at deatech.com >http://www.deatech.com/mailman/listinfo/coblist > > >End of Coblist Digest, Vol 2, Issue 72 >************************************** _________________________________________________________________ Visita MSN Latino Noticias: Todo lo que pasa en el mundo y en tu paín, ¡en tu idioma! 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