[Cob] free carpet for cob wall in portland OR

[Shody Ryon]

a house is being torn down, the carpet was taken up today. it need to be taken out tomorrow. the whole house including the large kitchen had 2 layers of wall to wall carpet, so there is a lot. it is dirty with lots of broken glass, so it might need to be unrolled on a driveway 
shody
--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Ray Cirino <cobanation at yahoo.com> wrote:

From: Ray Cirino <cobanation at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Cob] A cleaner cob oven for the future
To: "John Fordice" <otherfish at comcast.net>, coblist at deatech.com, "Joseph Kennedy" <livingearth62 at hotmail.com>
Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 9:01 PM

Dear Joe,
I met you years ago at LA Eco-Village when I first started making rocket stoves from actual rocket junkyards and the largest waste stream anywhere. I've perfected the rocket oven and hope to do exactly what you said to do, stop making tradition cob ovens. I've never made a traditional oven, because It put out too much CO2's. Instead I've engineered it to burn clean with less fuel. 
I've had a few problems in the pass, but have it down and I'm convinced this will make traditional cob ovens obsolete. Because if we don't change, we aren't progressing.

There are some rocket cob ovens in this link.

http://people.tribe.net/raycirino/photos/ec9b6a37-4e7a-41cd-be13-6f4aeee03a77

Even the alternative world we work in  it's hard to see thewre's a better mouse trap.

Ray


The Great Challenges we now face as a species present the very opportunities that are giving birth to Ecological, Psychological, and Spiritual Sustainability.


--- On Wed, 4/7/10, Joseph Kennedy <livingearth62 at hotmail.com> wrote:

> From: Joseph Kennedy <livingearth62 at hotmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Cob] A cleaner cob oven for the future
> To: "John Fordice" <otherfish at comcast.net>, coblist at deatech.com
> Date: Wednesday, April 7, 2010, 1:13 PM
> 
> Hi guys,
> 
>  
> 
> I rarely reply to these posts, but feel compelled this
> time.  I have built about 10 cob ovens now, and have to
> say, while they are sexy, cook in a fun way, and are great
> workshop projects, they are a very dirty (for the air) way
> of cooking, and (IMO) nothing will ever make them anything
> but overly-polluting.  I had a big turn-around in South
> Africa, where I saw how desperate people are for wood, and
> how it is important to create super-efficient wood burning
> ovens (not just stoves).  
> 
>  
> 
> I designed one based on a project in did in Argentina ten
> years ago.  I have plans and some photos if folks want
> to get in touch with me separately.  It's basically a
> 55 gallon barrel on its side, weld rails on the inside of
> the barrel to hold custom built sheet metal baking
> pans.  One end of the barrel is the door. Arched end
> walls hold the barrel ends, and a vault that doesnt touch
> the round side of the barrel (about 1-2" separation is
> good), contains the wood smoke.  A small firing chamber
> is underneath the barrel, the heat flows up and around the
> barrel and is vented out the top of the vault.  A layer
> of sand in the bottom of the barrel serves as a heat sink
> and to modulate the heat.  Much easier to manage the
> heat, and super more efficient, and you can cook much
> sooner.  And you don't get your eyebrows singed and a
> bunch of smoke in your face.  The only drawback is that
> you don't get quite as much of that smoky taste.  But
> I'm sure there's ways you can do that (maybe a few holes
> drilled in the barrel to allow a bit of smoke).  
> 
>  
> 
> Sorry to burst the cob oven bubble, but I feel increasingly
> wrong advocating the typical
> burn-a-big-fire-in-an-earth-igloo approach.  This is
> coming from one who loves to do so, so it pains me to say
> it.
> 
>  
> 
> If you must make a typical cob oven, I have had success
> with a high mass inner layer, covered by a thick perlite cob
> layer (thickest at the top of the dome).  This helps
> keep in the heat.  My biggest advice is to let the cob
> oven dry slowwwly.  I've also put in some rebar and
> welded wire mesh as I build to help control the inevitable
> cracking (especially at the top of the door).  Cracking
> is inevitable, though, I find.  Another cool thing is
> to make a place to put a pan at the smoke hole.  Kinda
> like a rocket stove.  Fry up some onions and stuff
> while you are heating up the oven!  Chimney's are
> great, but the heat escapes too fast.  A good plug for
> the smoke hole is best, I think.  I agree that waist
> height is the way to go, with counters on either
> side.   I prefer a modified Quebec-style with
> smoke hole.  I usually in this case cook in cast iron
> pans on loose bricks set in the oven.  The coals and
> ashes filter down between the loose bricks, and cooks from
> below, while the pans are closer to the roof of the oven to
> get that good radiant heat. (the loss of heat and mess of
> removing ashes and cooking on the floor of the oven where it
> is coldest seems foolish to me). 
> 
>  
> 
> See this version at http://www.themelissagarden.com  look for the
> photos, and check "cob pavilion" for some photos of the oven
> (as well as some other groovy cob features).  We had to
> do a chimney in this case for fire danger.
> 
>  
> 
> All the best,
> 
>  
> 
> Joe Kennedy
>  
> > From: otherfish at comcast.net
> > Date: Wed, 7 Apr 2010 10:58:02 -0700
> > To: coblist at deatech.com
> > Subject: Re: [Cob] A cleaner cob oven for the future
> > 
> > Ray,
> > Have you considered the heat expansion difference
> between the steel 
> > dome and the cob covering? Wondering if it will be
> enough to crack 
> > the cob covering.
> > john fordice
> > On Apr 6, 2010, at 10:14 AM, Dulane wrote:
> > 
> > >
> > > Dear Cobbers,
> > > I'm days away from test firing this inner chamber
> cob oven and 
> > > wantd to
> > > share the news. If it works as I know it will,
> you'll be creating 
> > > these
> > > incerts like this stainless steel igloo shape.
> The heat from the 
> > > fire is
> > > rapid and I see closing the stack after the fire
> is out to hols in 
> > > the heat.
> > > Otherwise you burn for hours with black smoke
> killing the 
> > > atmosphere. SunRay
> > > Kelly will tell you as well, we have junkyards
> here in LA that have 
> > > it all
> > > that can change the way we build.
> > > http://people.tribe.net/raycirino/photos/ec9b6a37-4e7a-41cd-
> 
> > > be13-6f4aeee03a7
> > > 7
> > > Ray
> > >
> > > Dulane - Keep us posted. It would be interesting
> to figure out a 
> > > comparison
> > > test between a similar clay oven and your hybrid.
> But if it helps 
> > > keep heat
> > > and reduce smoke, great idea!
> > >
> > > The trouble I've had is that mine got damp and
> cracked since I 
> > > didn't have a
> > > serious roof over it. But if you were going to
> use it often, you'd 
> > > want a
> > > serious design. And one that wouldn't allow too
> much cob crumbles 
> > > to fall on
> > > your food (from my deteriorating oven ceiling). I
> only use small 
> > > scrap wood
> > > and branches that fall out of my trees to heat
> mine, then I throw 
> > > in a few
> > > pieces of alder or fruitwood near the end for
> flavor.
> > >
> > > Your oven seems like a well thought out design
> (chimney damper and 
> > > all) for
> > > a small community, but the old design (w/o metal)
> is still 
> > > efficient for
> > > folks who just want to bake pizza or fish outside
> several times a 
> > > year. It
> > > pays to build them at waist height too, so you
> aren't bending over 
> > > all the
> > > time. I am building a new oven this year...and it
> will have a small 
> > > work
> > > area by the oven door. I'm tired of my dogs
> trying to help me cook, 
> > > because
> > > I'm down at chair level.
> > >
> > > Would you have to find someone to weld a dome for
> you?
> > >
> > >
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