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[Cob] Ant challenges

Jill Hogan info at mat.org.za
Fri Dec 16 10:30:32 CST 2011


Thanks for this, its wonderful


On 2011/12/15 08:18 PM, alex wrote:
> Older email, but just came across this interesting fact.
>
> Ants have been repelled from areas of gardens, by planting..... you got it,
> by planting cucumber seeds.  the cucs repel the ants.
>
> maybe one could grow cucs and lure the ants away with something that
> attracts them into a new home they would love more than their old hunk of a
> thermal mass; )  maybe some dark flat rocks placed on a dry clay?  trying
> to think now of when I've ssen ants attracted to things.  maybe some kinda
> sugary fruit that they like?
>
> Could also make a plastic lined pond near the bench where a big frog can
> make matters worse for staying at "the bench"-house
>
>
>
>
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>>    4. Enc:  Ant Challenges (Alessandra)
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>> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 09:25:53 +0000
>> From: linda royles<linda.royles at me.com>
>> To: William Milmoe<wmilmoe at gmail.com>
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>> Subject: Re: [Cob] Ant challenges
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>> Dear Bill
>>
>> Thanks for the question. I would also be interested to hear from anone
>> with experience of ants.
>>
>> You have got me thinking as as we are part way through a community build
>> (5.5m circular structure) here in a meadow in north London, UK, and we have
>> numerous ant hills of the meadow ant (Lasius flavus), as near neighbours.
>>
>> Some ants - like some builders,  make use of the thermal properties of
>> earth. Yellow meadow ants build earth mounds to collect and store warmth
>> from the sun, and to regulate the humidity of their under ground living
>> quarters.  I think to get to our answer, we need to find out about the ants
>> in our hood and what conditions they like.
>>
>>   Based on this email, we will be testing the ph of our ant hills - and the
>> surrounding meadow which I ASSUME is acid, but it would be a smart move to
>> do some top soil tests.
>>
>>   I am thinking whether the use of lime - which is alkaline,  is a good
>> choice - both as a sacrificial coat on our building, and to possibly manage
>> any ants with ideas of moving in. I too would like to encourage these
>> amazing creatures to self build elsewhere.
>> Linda Royles
>>
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>> On 19 Nov 2011, at 20:30, William Milmoe<wmilmoe at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Ant challenges
>>>
>>> I am interested in building with cob here in the Northwestern part of
>> USA.
>>> One of my friends built a cob bench a few years ago and had to do major
>>> restoration this year because ants hollowed out the bench for living
>>> quarters.  Has anyone else had this challenge?  Any modifications
>> required
>>> in our mostly wet then mostly dry climate to prevent ant move ins?
>>>
>>> Thank you so very much.
>>>
>>> Bill
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>> Linda Royles
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>> On 19 Nov 2011, at 20:30, William Milmoe<wmilmoe at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>
>>> Ant challenges
>>>
>>> I am interested in building with cob here in the Northwestern part of
>> USA.
>>> One of my friends built a cob bench a few years ago and had to do major
>>> restoration this year because ants hollowed out the bench for living
>>> quarters.  Has anyone else had this challenge?  Any modifications
>> required
>>> in our mostly wet then mostly dry climate to prevent ant move ins?
>>>
>>> Thank you so very much.
>>>
>>> Bill
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>> ------------------------------
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:10:36 -0600
>> From: Matthew Caswell<caswellrienzo at gmail.com>
>> To: linda royles<linda.royles at me.com>
>> Cc: "coblist at deatech.com"<coblist at deatech.com>,        William Milmoe
>>         <wmilmoe at gmail.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Cob] Ant challenges
>> Message-ID:<A559D851-1F64-4760-8B40-3018F29CC6A6 at gmail.com>
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>> One thing I've done with ants is put a screen in the cob with holes too
>> small for ants but big enough for the clay to cling.
>>
>> El Nov 21, 2011, a las 3:25 AM, linda royles<linda.royles at me.com>
>> escribi?:
>>
>>> Dear Bill
>>>
>>> Thanks for the question. I would also be interested to hear from anone
>> with experience of ants.
>>> You have got me thinking as as we are part way through a community build
>> (5.5m circular structure) here in a meadow in north London, UK, and we have
>> numerous ant hills of the meadow ant (Lasius flavus), as near neighbours.
>>> Some ants - like some builders,  make use of the thermal properties of
>> earth. Yellow meadow ants build earth mounds to collect and store warmth
>> from the sun, and to regulate the humidity of their under ground living
>> quarters.  I think to get to our answer, we need to find out about the ants
>> in our hood and what conditions they like.
>>> Based on this email, we will be testing the ph of our ant hills - and
>> the surrounding meadow which I ASSUME is acid, but it would be a smart move
>> to do some top soil tests.
>>> I am thinking whether the use of lime - which is alkaline,  is a good
>> choice - both as a sacrificial coat on our building, and to possibly manage
>> any ants with ideas of moving in. I too would like to encourage these
>> amazing creatures to self build elsewhere.
>>> Linda Royles
>>>
>>> Cob in the Community
>>> T0208 3741033
>>> M07971881229
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 Nov 2011, at 20:30, William Milmoe<wmilmoe at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ant challenges
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in building with cob here in the Northwestern part of
>> USA.
>>>> One of my friends built a cob bench a few years ago and had to do major
>>>> restoration this year because ants hollowed out the bench for living
>>>> quarters.  Has anyone else had this challenge?  Any modifications
>> required
>>>> in our mostly wet then mostly dry climate to prevent ant move ins?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so very much.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
>>>> _______________________________________________
>>>> Coblist mailing list
>>>> Coblist at deatech.com
>>>> http://www.deatech.com/mailman/listinfo/coblist
>>> Linda Royles
>>> T0208 3741033
>>> M07971881229
>>>
>>>
>>> On 19 Nov 2011, at 20:30, William Milmoe<wmilmoe at gmail.com>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Ant challenges
>>>>
>>>> I am interested in building with cob here in the Northwestern part of
>> USA.
>>>> One of my friends built a cob bench a few years ago and had to do major
>>>> restoration this year because ants hollowed out the bench for living
>>>> quarters.  Has anyone else had this challenge?  Any modifications
>> required
>>>> in our mostly wet then mostly dry climate to prevent ant move ins?
>>>>
>>>> Thank you so very much.
>>>>
>>>> Bill
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>>>> Coblist mailing list
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 07:54:46 -0600
>> From: Mary Lou McFarland<louiethefifth at hotmail.com>
>> To:<coblist at deatech.com>
>> Subject: Re: [Cob] Ant Challenges
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>> Borax will take out ants.  I wonder if a borax wash over the plaster coat
>> would do the trick.
>> Mary Lou
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 06:06:08 -0800 (PST)
>> From: Alessandra<alecaprara at yahoo.com.br>
>> To: COB<coblist at deatech.com>
>> Subject: [Cob] Enc:  Ant Challenges
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>>
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Well, I know cinnamon and clove keep ants away. But I don't know how use
>> them in the building. Mixing in the earth? Or in the wall covering??
>> This is really useful and smells good :)
>>
>>
>> ?
>> Alessandra Caprara
>> M?dica Veterin?ria Homeopata
>> Consultora Comportamental
>> ?
>> Cel: 11 71895282
>> email: alecaprara at yahoo.com.br
>> msn: alecaprara at hotmail.com
>> skype: alecaprara
>> ?
>>
>>
>> ________________________________
>>   De: Mary Lou McFarland<louiethefifth at hotmail.com>
>> Para: coblist at deatech.com
>> Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 21 de Novembro de 2011 11:54
>> Assunto: Re: [Cob] Ant Challenges
>>
>>
>> Borax will take out ants.? I wonder if a borax wash over the plaster coat
>> would do the trick.
>> Mary Lou ??? ???  ??? ?  ??? ??? ?
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Mon, 21 Nov 2011 10:17:52 -0500
>> From: Henry Raduazo<raduazo at cox.net>
>> To: Mary Lou McFarland<louiethefifth at hotmail.com>
>> Cc: coblist at deatech.com
>> Subject: Re: [Cob] Ant Challenges
>> Message-ID:<F97100F5-12AB-4477-8176-816D2B02D3E6 at cox.net>
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>> I have had trouble mostly with the cliff-dwelling bees, but I find that
>> covering the cob wall with lime paint will discourage them. I have an
>> unpainted sculpture in my lime-painted wall and the bee preference for the
>> untreated mud is dramatic. I have a photo for anyone interested.
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> On Nov 21, 2011, at 8:54 AM, Mary Lou McFarland wrote:
>>
>>> Borax will take out ants.  I wonder if a borax wash over the plaster
>> coat would do the trick.
>>> Mary Lou
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