Sorry - I was after a sample copy of the Cob EBN Sample issue if possible - perhps I have pushed the worng butons - anything is possible aorund here - who invented 1998? -- Graeme North, Registered Architect 18 Neville Street, Warkworth, New Zealand tel +64 9 4259305 fax +64 9 4258216 Specialist in earth building and green architecture