Cob: ARE OUR NATURAL BUILDING IDEAS CAST IN STONE??? (or, the STONEvs. cast earth controversy continues)

[Desert rivers -]

I need to say, I never saw Ocean as yelling - it came across to me as 
enthusiasm.  And offering up ideas.  I'm sorry, Charmaine, you chose to view 
what Ocean has been saying and *how* in such a purely negative light.  At 
least that's how I see it.  Now! I hope this can pass.  Okay, I just 
couldn't keep this to myself any longer, apologies.  Now I'll go back to 
lurking.

Thank you.

HJRandall

Ah lani lano ama oo



>From: Charmaine R Taylor <tms at northcoast.com>
>Reply-To: Charmaine R Taylor <tms at northcoast.com>
>To: Ocean <ocean at peacemaking.org>
>CC: Patricia Kerns <pkerns at twistedroad.com>, coblist at deatech.com
>Subject: Re: Cob: ARE OUR NATURAL BUILDING IDEAS CAST IN STONE??? (or, the 
>STONEvs. cast earth controversy continues)
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>Let's all lighten up, OK?  There are enough really scarey issues now
>to get riled up about...
>Ocean
>  PeaceMaking.org
>++++++++++++++++++++
>Ocean-I think where you got into trouble ( funny for a peacemaker .org
>guy huh?) was in the "shouting" to use real stone when the conversation
>was NOT about that at all.
>
>We are discussing how to pour and form a counter or table by hand. If
>you want to add to that,  that's fine.
>
>"BUT, where is the cement or lime for the "natural"
>alternatives coming from anyway?  You know it: huge energy-gulping
>factories hundreds or thousands of miles away..."
>++++++++++++
>Not true, most cement and lime are  mined and produced regionally, hence
>the wide variety of high cal and dolomitic limes avail and  lime uses
>far less energy commercially to produce, with the added benefit of
>reabsorbing carbon dioxide from the air, which mfged.cement does not.
>
>I repeat we are not defending use of materials, we are discussing how to
>hand-make some items.
>
>I have some bowls, holding water, simply made from clay and lime and
>paper...paper holding water? yes, and I can sculpt what ever shape I
>want, by hand, no tools needed, which feels very good to me on a
>creative level  .I will attempt a counter top too, in myown time, with
>no heavy lifting, messy cutting or loud drills.... that feels good on
>many levels. I think most people on the cob list feel the same way.
>
>Charmaine  Taylor/ Taylor Publishing
>http://www.dirtcheapbuilder.com
>
>


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