[Cob] (no subject) http://portland.indymedia.org/en/static/pdxradio.shtml
Joseph R Dupont
joedupont at juno.com
Fri Apr 2 23:01:43 CST 2004
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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:44:39 -0800 "Lee Shultz"
<lee.shultz at westrimcrafts.com> writes:
> Hi, David.
>
> You know, you could build cob houses for people and give people
> beautiful homes for much less (since the materials could be very
> inexpensive), and you could still make a good profit. And hopefully
> these people would not have to have a mortgage. (Though I think the
> owners would be missing something special not to at least help in
> the building process.)
>
> I remember a point made by Charles Long in his book, "How to Surive
> Without a Salary:" most people work an average of 15 years just to
> pay for a roof over their heads, whether they rent or own.
> Considering that, can anyone afford not to take time off to build
> for themselves? And I know many people who have done it, and I plan
> on being one of them soon.
>
> Sorry, a 30 year mortgage, or any mortgage for that matter, really,
> really, really, really sucks. If one has a job they love and also
> makes enough money in that job to pay the mortgage, he or she will
> probably not feel enslaved. But most people find themselves in
> high-stress jobs they hate to pay the mortgage. I would think that
> would feel a lot like endentured servitude. And especially when the
> job is a 70-hour a week job. Our technology in the US is getting
> better and better, but most people are working longer and longer
> hours. And this reminds me of something Laurie Anderson said: "We
> are in a race with speed."
>
> Well, the hell with that race. I would rather own my own life.
>
> Bye for now,
>
> Beverly
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Knowlton [mailto:pilot1ab80 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:19 PM
> To: dealy at deatech.com; JILLPRUETT at peoplepc.com
> Cc: coblist at deatech.com
> Subject: Re: [Cob] (no subject)
>
>
> hi,
>
> i angered some folks by suggesting that someone engineer a way to
> make
> sustainable building commercially profitable. my idea was that if
> it's good
> for
> the planet, why not make money at it? money is good. (i'm
> conservative)
>
> detractors felt i had tainted an idea central to cob - that being
> that by
> doing
> it yourself you can be free of a 30 year mortgage, which i think
> they viewed
> as
> being a nasty capitalist form of enslavement.
>
> more power to the folks that have time to do it themselves. more
> power still
> if
> you can afford to eat while you build your own place.
>
> meanwhile - cob is still grass roots. if someone out there figures
> out how
> to make
> mud houses commercially viable - please post. i'll buy stock
> certificate
> number 1.
>
> good building to you. david
>
>
> >From: "Shannon C. Dealy" <dealy at deatech.com>
> >Reply-To: dealy at deatech.com
> >To: The Pruett's <JILLPRUETT at peoplepc.com>
> >CC: Cob <coblist at deatech.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Cob] (no subject)
> >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:30:50 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, The Pruett's wrote:
> >
> > > What is the average cost per square foot (or length foot) of
> cob?
> > > Not including all the other house building needs there are, of
> course.
> > > A site I follow says it is $400/LF for adobe. Isn't that a lot?
> > >
> > > jill
> >
> >No meaningful average is possible. If you do it yourself (and
> don't pay
> >yourself), use only materials from the site, the cost is $0. If on
> the
> >other hand, you hire someone to do it, have all the materials
> trucked in,
> >then it depends on a whole lot of things (foot mixing or
> mechanical
> >mixing, do you hold a workshop to offset some of the costs, how
> readily
> >are materials available in your area, what does it cost for
> trucking,
> >etc.)
> >
> >That $400/LF for adobe is almost certainly for paying someone to do
> it,
> >but there are many factors not stated which need to be considered:
> how
> >tall is the wall (1 LF 8' tall is alot cheaper than 1 LF 16 feet
> tall),
> >does this include foundation, was it engineered for a heavy
> earthquake
> >zone, how far are the adobe blocks being trucked to get them to the
> site,
> >are they figuring just the wall costs or are they averaging in the
> total
> >cost of the building, etc.
> >
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