[Cob] RE: Coblist Digest, Vol 2, Issue 72
Jessica Ellen Kirkwood Weaver
je_kw at hotmail.com
Tue Aug 17 12:01:45 CDT 2004
Hi!
I'm wondering who else is going to BC. What are people doing about
beds and overnights? Are people camping, if so where?
Also I read Dulane's request and if you still need help I don't have
any experience buts lots of time. I live near Olympia.
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> 1. Re: anybody need free labor? (who_dat at ephytol.com)
> 2. Re: anybody need free labor? (Dorothy Bothne)
> 3. Seattle Cobbing Project (Dulane)
> 4. RE: anybody need free labor? (Abe Connally)
> 5. Re: Cobbing in N. Seattle (Dulane)
> 6. Stone in cob (Brent Flaco Wilson)
> 7. Re: Clay&Bool- Stone in cob (dirtcheapbuilder-Charmaine
Taylor)
> 8. Re: Clay&Bool- Stone in cob (Joseph R Dupont)
> 9. RE: clay& bool (Mary Lou McFarland)
> 10. RE: Stone in cob (Amanda Peck)
> 11. RE: RE: Stone in cob (Bonnie Morse)
> 12. Re: RE: Stone in cob (otherfish)
> 13. Re: RE: Stone in cob (phil)
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>Message: 1
>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 17:31:12 -0500
>From: <who_dat at ephytol.com>
>Subject: Re: [Cob] anybody need free labor?
>To: <abe at abeconnally.com>, <coblist at deatech.com>
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>Hello all! (first post here =)
>
>Abe do you have planned dates you intend to start cobbing? I live in
the
>Dallas area but would gladly make the drive to help and learn,
especially
>since I have yet to get my feet muddy ;)
>
>Eric
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Abe Connally" <abe at abeconnally.com>
>To: <coblist at deatech.com>
>Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 3:05 PM
>Subject: RE: [Cob] anybody need free labor?
>
>
> > We are building a cob house and would love some newbies to come
out and
>learn!
> > We are located in the Big Bend Region of Texas.
> >
> > If anyone wants to cob, we have plenty!!!
> >
> > Abe
> >
>
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 2
>Date: Fri, 13 Aug 2004 16:51:40 -0700 (PDT)
>From: Dorothy Bothne <dbothne54 at yahoo.com>
>Subject: Re: [Cob] anybody need free labor?
>To: coblist at deatech.com
>Message-ID: <20040813235140.73939.qmail at web41808.mail.yahoo.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>Eric,
>we're a couple of hours south of you (just north of
>austin) and we're cobbing every weekend. we always
>welcome the help too.
>Dorothy
>
>
>--- who_dat at ephytol.com wrote:
>
> > Hello all! (first post here =)
> >
> > Abe do you have planned dates you intend to start
> > cobbing? I live in the
> > Dallas area but would gladly make the drive to help
> > and learn, especially
> > since I have yet to get my feet muddy ;)
> >
> > Eric
> >
> >
>
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Sat, 14 Aug 2004 10:32:26 -0700
>From: "Dulane" <silkworm at spiderhollow.com>
>Subject: [Cob] Seattle Cobbing Project
>To: "Cob" <coblist at deatech.com>
>Message-ID: <003301c48224$ab20bee0$6501a8c0 at attbi.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Hello,
>I have a small garden project and am looking for help in the north
Seattle
>area. I will pay $10 per hour for several days work. I am hoping for
someone
>with experience. There is room here for camping if that helps.
>Dulane
>
>There are solutions to the major problems of our time, some of them
even
>simple. But they require a radical shift in our perceptions, our
thinking,
>and our values.
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 4
>Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 11:25:07 -0500
>From: "Abe Connally" <abe at abeconnally.com>
>Subject: RE: [Cob] anybody need free labor?
>To: <who_dat at ephytol.com>, "Coblist" <coblist at deatech.com>
>Message-ID: <MBBBIFEBNJKOPBJIMPHKCEAAELAA.abe at abeconnally.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>Eric,
>
>We are cobbing right now. We should be cobbing through October, and
then we
>will be cobbing again in March through June of next year. Come on
down anytime!
>We have plenty of cob!
>
>Abe
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: who_dat at ephytol.com [mailto:who_dat at ephytol.com]
>Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 5:31 PM
>To: abe at abeconnally.com; coblist at deatech.com
>Subject: Re: [Cob] anybody need free labor?
>
>
>Hello all! (first post here =)
>
>Abe do you have planned dates you intend to start cobbing? I live in
the
>Dallas area but would gladly make the drive to help and learn,
especially
>since I have yet to get my feet muddy ;)
>
>Eric
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Abe Connally" <abe at abeconnally.com>
>To: <coblist at deatech.com>
>Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 3:05 PM
>Subject: RE: [Cob] anybody need free labor?
>
>
> > We are building a cob house and would love some newbies to come
out and
>learn!
> > We are located in the Big Bend Region of Texas.
> >
> > If anyone wants to cob, we have plenty!!!
> >
> > Abe
> >
>
>
>
>
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>Message: 5
>Date: Sun, 15 Aug 2004 18:50:25 -0700
>From: "Dulane" <silkworm at spiderhollow.com>
>Subject: [Cob] Re: Cobbing in N. Seattle
>To: "Cob" <coblist at deatech.com>
>Message-ID: <003801c48333$665f2a20$6501a8c0 at attbi.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>I've had a wonderful response to my request for help. I will respond
to
>folks right away. I probably will not need anyone else, judging by
the
>emails already received.
>This is a great email forum. Active and full of good tips and
knowledge.
>Thanks,
>Dulane
>
>There are solutions to the major problems of our time, some of them
even
>simple. But they require a radical shift in our perceptions, our
thinking,
>and our values.
>
>
>
>
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>
>Message: 6
>Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 19:41:39 +0000
>From: "Brent Flaco Wilson" <realm_fitness at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [Cob] Stone in cob
>To: ap615 at hotmail.com, coblist.to.theq at xoxy.net, coblist at deatech.com
>Message-ID: <BAY9-F30CdUxX42U53j00012fa5 at hotmail.com>
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>
>Has anyone ever built a home using stones with cob as mortar? Given
you
>have a rubble trench footing. Also interested in "plastering a cob
home on
>the south facing sidewith stone, perhaps like veneer stones, flag
stones, or
>mayb embedding smooth flat stones gatherd from the coast. The stones
will
>be great for insulation-radiation purposes. I guess one could do a
whole
>room on the interior that way with stones, coral, shells, and
starfish for
>the bathroom beach effect. I have seen cob benches in portland with
mosaic
>work so this idea of stones seems reasonable?
>
>
> >From: "Amanda Peck" <ap615 at hotmail.com>
> >To: coblist.to.theq at xoxy.net, coblist at deatech.com
> >Subject: RE: [Cob] Re: Cob in British Columbia
> >Date: Thu, 12 Aug 2004 13:31:04 -0500
> >
> >
> >As far as I can tell, the big thing with cob (among many other
styles of
> >building, including conventional) is moisture control. You don't
want
> >hydraulic pressure on it--or its foundation, let alone streams of
water
> >washing down the hill onto it. Cob tempers indoor humidity pretty
well,
> >but does it do well in the rain forest (tropical or
temperate)? Ask
> >somebody, keep your eyes open. (how humid is the area with cob
houses in
> >New Zealand? how do those old old old cob houses in Britain
do) You could
> >report back.
> >
> >If you can keep moisture out/off of it, and are able to put a
really solid
> >base down, I'd think that most anything would take an earthen
floor. Not
> >for your second story condo, especially if it was the one in
Nashville TN
> >that was rumored to sway before the brick facing was put up.
> >
> >Actually, maybe not for second stories period. I'm not planning
it.
> >
> >............
> >Patrick and Chris wrote:
> >
> >----------
> >Thanks to all (especially Ian for the enjoyable phone
conversation!) for
> >the links, information, and inspiration.
> >
> >We're packing to head up into BC shortly, so will be in pondering
mode for
> >a bit. A couple of things I'll be pondering (and would welcome
comment
> >upon).
> >- Earthen floors for thermal mass in a more conventional structure
> >- Covering strawbales with cob (does the cob share the
load-bearing?)
> >- Has anyone ever considered interior walls of cob in a
conventional
> >structure (if cob is not feasible wherever we end up)?
> >
> >I imagine we'll be in brainstorming mode for some time. Thanks for
your
> >help and thoughts - this list is fascinating!
> >
> >Cheers!
> > - Patrick & Chris
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>Message: 7
>Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:03:54 -0700
>From: dirtcheapbuilder-Charmaine Taylor <tms at northcoast.com>
>Subject: Re: [Cob] Clay&Bool- Stone in cob
>To: "Brent Flaco Wilson" <realm_fitness at hotmail.com>
>Cc: coblist at deatech.com, coblist.to.theq at xoxy.net
>Message-ID: <66CC2C82-EFBF-11D8-8EBB-000D93C26BB0 at northcoast.com>
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>This is an old Scottish method called "Clay & Bool" where stones
are
>embedded in a clay-cob mix.
>It will be very very rustic, and there may be air gaps after some
>shrinkage...but you could try it.
>
>below is an image of a riverstone and clay wall done in 1800's in
>Placerville CA..it is now a trendy art cafe', and they put in a brick
>surround, with an entry door.
>
>I can srcatch the clay out with a fingernail but it is very durable
as
>evidenced by it's current use the temp is very comfortable inside,
>cool, whern it is 105 deg, outside..
>
>http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/PLACER~1.JPG
>
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>On Aug 16, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Brent Flaco Wilson wrote:
>
> > Has anyone ever built a home using stones with cob as
mortar? Given
> > you have a rubble trench footing. Also interested in "plastering
a
> > cob home on the south facing sidewith stone, perhaps like veneer
> > stones, flag stones, or mayb embedding smooth flat stones gatherd
from
> > the coast. The stones will be great for insulation-radiation
> > purposes. I guess one could do a whole room on the interior that
way
> > with stones, coral, shells, and starfish for the bathroom beach
> > effect. I have seen cob benches in portland with mosaic work so
this
> > idea of stones seems reasonable?
> >
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 8
>Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:09:47 -0400
>From: Joseph R Dupont <joedupont at juno.com>
>Subject: Re: [Cob] Clay&Bool- Stone in cob
>To: tms at northcoast.com
>Cc: realm_fitness at hotmail.com, coblist at deatech.com,
> coblist.to.theq at xoxy.net
>Message-ID: <20040816.160956.-1991625.8.joedupont at juno.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
>
>has anyone mixed in paperpulp to COB as a reinforcer?
>On Mon, 16 Aug 2004 13:03:54 -0700 dirtcheapbuilder-Charmaine Taylor
><tms at northcoast.com> writes:
> > This is an old Scottish method called "Clay & Bool" where
stones
> > are
> > embedded in a clay-cob mix.
> > It will be very very rustic, and there may be air gaps after some
> > shrinkage...but you could try it.
> >
> > below is an image of a riverstone and clay wall done in 1800's in
> > Placerville CA..it is now a trendy art cafe', and they put in a
> > brick
> > surround, with an entry door.
> >
> > I can srcatch the clay out with a fingernail but it is very
durable
> > as
> > evidenced by it's current use the temp is very comfortable inside,
> > cool, whern it is 105 deg, outside..
> >
> > http://www.northcoast.com/~tms/PLACER~1.JPG
> >
> > > Charmaine Taylor Publishing books at dirtcheapbuilder.com
> > PO Box 375 Cutten CA 95534 USA -- 707-441-1632
> > www.dirtcheapbuilder.com & www.papercrete.com
> > NEW! dirtcheapbuilder CD Info- 4,000+ Pdf pages- $7.
> >
> >
> > On Aug 16, 2004, at 12:41 PM, Brent Flaco Wilson wrote:
> >
> > > Has anyone ever built a home using stones with cob as mortar?
> > Given
> > > you have a rubble trench footing. Also interested in
"plastering
> > a
> > > cob home on the south facing sidewith stone, perhaps like veneer
> > > stones, flag stones, or mayb embedding smooth flat stones
gatherd
> > from
> > > the coast. The stones will be great for insulation-radiation
> > > purposes. I guess one could do a whole room on the interior
that
> > way
> > > with stones, coral, shells, and starfish for the bathroom beach
> > > effect. I have seen cob benches in portland with mosaic work so
> > this
> > > idea of stones seems reasonable?
> > >
> >
> >
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>Message: 9
>Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 16:03:14 -0500
>From: "Mary Lou McFarland" <louiethefifth at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [Cob] RE: clay& bool
>To: Coblist at deatech.com
>Message-ID: <BAY18-F10mIz0ucTxhH00041f48 at hotmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
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>When using this method ,is there any effort to plaster over the
mortar area?
>or with so little cob showing is any protection redundent? IAre the
stones
>embedded during construction or is this added later as a siding? In
the
>area where the building sits ( from your attachment) is the
weather severe
>with driving winds and rain or is it just a temporate climate?
>
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>Message: 10
>Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:26:48 -0500
>From: "Amanda Peck" <ap615 at hotmail.com>
>Subject: [Cob] RE: Stone in cob
>To: coblist at deatech.com
>Message-ID: <BAY8-F19Anv2Ew2wDeW000070af at hotmail.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
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>
>Probably.
>
>For sure Rob Roy and Ianto Evans did some cordwood masonry with cob
as
>mortar.
>
>A propos of not a whole lot, I've been reading a mystery story
involving an
>earthquake. Author gives lots of information about earthquakes. Her
point
>is that the sizes and shapes of particles in mortar are what is
important,
>not all the same, and for sure not all rounded. (Sarah Andrews,
Fault Line)
>..................
>Brent Flaco Wilson writes:
>
>Has anyone ever built a home using stones with cob as mortar? Given
you
>have a rubble trench footing. Also interested in "plastering a cob
home on
>the south facing sidewith stone, perhaps like veneer stones, flag
stones, or
>mayb embedding smooth flat stones gatherd from the coast. The stones
will
>be great for insulation-radiation purposes. I guess one could do a
whole
>room on the interior that way with stones, coral, shells, and
starfish for
>the bathroom beach effect. I have seen cob benches in portland with
mosaic
>work so this idea of stones seems reasonable?
>
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>Message: 11
>Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 15:51:59 -0700
>From: "Bonnie Morse" <bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com>
>Subject: RE: [Cob] RE: Stone in cob
>To: <coblist at deatech.com>
>Message-ID:
> <NOEJLLELMNNFELDCMLHKCEHCCGAA.bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
>
>My old Materials Science book from college said that gravel with
sharp edges
>makes stronger concrete than gravel with smooth edges. I guess the
same
>would apply to sand particles in mortar or cob.
>
>Bonnie in OR
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: coblist-bounces at deatech.com
[mailto:coblist-bounces at deatech.com]On
>Behalf Of Amanda Peck
>
><snipped>
>
>A propos of not a whole lot, I've been reading a mystery story
involving an
>earthquake. Author gives lots of information about earthquakes. Her
point
>is that the sizes and shapes of particles in mortar are what is
important,
>not all the same, and for sure not all rounded. (Sarah Andrews,
Fault Line)
>
>
>
>
>------------------------------
>
>Message: 12
>Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:20:41 -0700
>From: otherfish <otherfish at comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: [Cob] RE: Stone in cob
>To: Bonnie Morse <bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com>,
> <coblist at deatech.com>
>Message-ID: <BD469D68.552C%otherfish at comcast.net>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII"
>
>Cob gets it's strength from being built massivly as COB, not
something else.
>Cob bonds well with cob, but poorly with other materials. Cob as
mortar
>will do little more than simply fill the spaces between whatever you
are
>mortating. The compressice strength of cob is low comparred to
cordwood or
>stone. Using cob as a mortar in a stone or cordwood construction
will make
>the mortar the weakest link in the wall system.
>Not something I'd do.
>If you want a mortar that doesn't use portland cement, go for lime
sand
>mortar. It haS a long history of successful use as mortar.
>
>john fordice
>
>
>on 8/16/04 3:51 PM, Bonnie Morse at bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com
wrote:
>
> > My old Materials Science book from college said that gravel with
sharp edges
> > makes stronger concrete than gravel with smooth edges. I guess
the same
> > would apply to sand particles in mortar or cob.
> >
> > Bonnie in OR
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: coblist-bounces at deatech.com
[mailto:coblist-bounces at deatech.com]On
> > Behalf Of Amanda Peck
> >
> > <snipped>
> >
> > A propos of not a whole lot, I've been reading a mystery story
involving an
> > earthquake. Author gives lots of information about
earthquakes. Her point
> > is that the sizes and shapes of particles in mortar are what is
important,
> > not all the same, and for sure not all rounded. (Sarah Andrews,
Fault Line)
> >
> >
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>Message: 13
>Date: Tue, 17 Aug 2004 10:32:59 -0400 (EDT)
>From: "phil" <phawn1 at excite.com>
>Subject: Re: [Cob] RE: Stone in cob
>To: otherfish at comcast.net, bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com,
> coblist at deatech.com
>Message-ID: <20040817143259.66C3F3DF3 at xprdmailfe12.nwk.excite.com>
>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>
>
>
>We are currently working on a cob-cordwood home here in NC. We have
added about 5% lime to the cob for extra strength and short of taking
a sledge hammer to the wall (I dare anyone to do that to their home)
it has bonded well witht he wood. VERY hard and quick setting as a
mortar. We also haven't had a lot of shrinkage. Time will tell as to
durabilty.
>
>Phil Hawn, President
>The North Carolina Natural Building Coalition
>http://naturalbuilder.org
>cob, strawbale, cordwood and other sustainable earthbuilding
techniques
>
> --- On Mon 08/16, otherfish < otherfish at comcast.net > wrote:
>From: otherfish [mailto: otherfish at comcast.net]
>To: bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com, coblist at deatech.com
>Date: Mon, 16 Aug 2004 17:20:41 -0700
>Subject: Re: [Cob] RE: Stone in cob
>
>Cob gets it's strength from being built massivly as COB, not
something else.<br>Cob bonds well with cob, but poorly with other
materials. Cob as mortar<br>will do little more than simply fill the
spaces between whatever you are<br>mortating. The compressice
strength of cob is low comparred to cordwood or<br>stone. Using cob
as a mortar in a stone or cordwood construction will make<br>the
mortar the weakest link in the wall system.<br>Not something I'd
do.<br>If you want a mortar that doesn't use portland cement, go for
lime sand<br>mortar. It haS a long history of successful use as
mortar.<br><br>john fordice<br><br><br>on 8/16/04 3:51 PM, Bonnie
Morse at bonnie.morse at content-mgmt.com wrote:<br><br>> My old
Materials Science book from college said that gravel with sharp
edges<br>> makes stronger concrete than gravel with smooth edges. I
guess the same<br>> would apply to sand particles in mortar or
cob.<br>> <br>> Bonnie in OR<br>> <br>> -----Original
Message-----<br>> From: coblist-bounces at deatech.com
[mailto:coblist-bounces at deatech.com]On<br>> Behalf Of Amanda Peck<br>>
<br>> <snipped><br>> <br>> A propos of not a whole lot, I've been
reading a mystery story involving an<br>> earthquake. Author gives
lots of information about earthquakes. Her point<br>> is that the
sizes and shapes of particles in mortar are what is important,<br>>
not all the same, and for sure not all rounded. (Sarah Andrews, Fault
Line)<br>> <br>> <br>>
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