If only we could Cob.

[raven talmhain]

   To the author of this tantrum;
(1) What in blue blazes does this have to do with cob.
(2) There is a long history of european tribalism that is still being
practiced to this day.
(3) Can anyone find any constructive solution(s) to the gripes mentioned.

(4) Can't we all just get along.
(5) Yes, you are ranting. Have you considered a vacation maybe?

Nuf said!

On Fri, 23 Oct 98 06:54:14 PDT "avalonb" <avalonb at nwol.net> writes:
>;to reply to the good words, snipped, below, by john fordice -- it's 
>the =
>NATURE of infants to be self-centered/self-absorbed;  sans any 
>mental/neu=
>rological impairment, WITH PROPER TEACHING AND EXAMPLE, said infants 
>CAN =
>mature into cooperative, civilized, courteous members of a community
>
>sadly, it is the nature of the dominant/wasichu/euro-invader culture 
>to =
>perpetuate (TEACH)  the 'gimme' nature of l8 mo. olds throughout an 
>entir=
>e lifetime -- not saying we native americans don't have a 'gimme' gene 
>=
>-0- it's just recessive!!!
>
>if billy the dick clinton is any example,there are few mature 
>individuals=
> in this country!
>
>europeans came over here with 'gimme' your land, today's t.v. screams 
>'gi=
>mme' your money for STUFF all day long and the second corollary to 
>that =
>'gimme' mindset is 'divide and conquor' -- one washing machine for a 
>city=
> block full of people won't work -- each individual cubicle (house) 
>needs=
> its own washing machineto make more money for the manufactures of 
>washin=
>g machines
>
>I KNOW, I'M RANTING.  tribal societies BUILT community -- we had to, 
>for =
>survival -- but it served more than physical survival -- it served our 
>=
>souls and spirits, to be born into a caring, cross-generational group 
>of =
>people, AND to die out of same --
>
>and in between that birth and death, we grew to know who we were and 
>that=
> we BELONGED to a group -- a clan, a tribe, a people -- very few of 
>the =
>members of the dominant culture whom i rub shoulders with really know 
>WHO=
> THEY ARE and almost NONE of them really belong anywhere!!!  they all 
>exi=
>st, some just survive,  in isolation --
>
>alcohol may be the no. l spirit killer on the rez in this century, but 
>=
>consumerism (consumption -- isn't THAT a payback -- TB/consumption 
>killed=
> many of my ancestors' bodies  -- today,  TV/consumption is killing 
>the =
>spirits of white young people !!!  paybacks can be a bitch)
>
>white folks don't realize, their leaders have turned THEM into or onto 
>=
>urban reservations -- the poverty of the spirit in large cities, the 
>cult=
>ure of symphony, theatre and art galleries notwithstanding, is every 
>bit =
>as bad as the unemployment and drug abuse on the rez's
>
>consumerism kills the spirits of whites,today.  my 94 y.o. mother died 
>=
>in my arms a week after mother's day  this year -- but in a nursing 
>home =
>-- she refused to come live with me just as she had refused to 
>acknowledg=
>e her Choctaw blood from the time she left the farm, some 75 years 
>prior =
>-- but as i sat by her bedside, holding her hand, i chanted softly and 
>=
>watched her smile gently as the spirits of our ancestors waited and 
>welco=
>med her into spirit world -- she didn't live in peace -- she was torn, 
>=
>trying to be/act white and alone -- but she died peacefully
>
>one of her sisters, my aunt, died, alone, no children, but a 
>millionaire =
>two years ago
>
>living for money and dying alone is NOT a good life.
>
>and no, tribal peoples were NOT the only cultures to make much of 
>communi=
>ty -- so did the celtic tribes, the Africans, etc., etc., that many of 
>=
>us share heritage with -- but greed is a siren seductress, and, like 
>the =
>sirens of old, lure people to abandon their  higher instincts for the 
>cal=
>l of baser motives -- 'gimme more' STUFF!
>
>until the dominant culture's members WAKE UP (and that wake up call 
>may =
>very well be  the technological breakdown ignited by y2k, or massive 
>poli=
>tical oppression in this country, or earth changes that cause this 
>year's=
> 'bad weather' to pale by comparison) and learn to re-establish 
>community=
>, this will be a culture of the self-centered
>
>but what is really important are the values taught in tribes:  to 
>value =
>the wisdom in our elders -- to value the future in our young ones -- 
>and =
>live accordingly
>
>yes, this 'problem' of lack of community IS due to 'our' culture -- 
>but =
>it is a learned aspect of it, just as cooperation is a learned trait
>
>achitu. avalon bruce aka Brings Together Woman
>
>-
>> i can't help but wonder also........
>> is this our culture or.......
>> is it simply the nature of life to be self centered?
>
>> john fordice
>> TCCP
>> otherfish at aol.com
>>
>
>
>

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