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Cob: RE: Formal ProposalPatrick Newberry PNewberry at HFHI.org
Fri Oct 26 11:15:54 PDT 2001
Well first thing, I'd suggest is a shed style roof on the structures. Being that it's north Ga, Clay will be easy, but the clay to sand ratio's are more than likely high in clay low in sand. Look for a source of clay. as far as cob goes, lets see, to go around the house once is 40 ' of distance (ignoring the windows and doors). If I have water, clay / sand and straw at hand, I could do 40 ' in one day. but I since my cob is a bit wet, I only go up about 6 to 8 inches at a time, thus it would take me approx 16 days to build the walls for the cabin. Of course none of this is taking into account my ability to be sidetracked :-) Pat -----Original Message----- From: Pack McKibben [mailto:gakayaker at yahoo.com] Sent: Friday, October 26, 2001 12:19 PM To: coblist at deatech.com Subject: Cob: Formal Proposal Pack McKibben Northeast Georgia Subject: Proposal I need help putting together a Formal Proposal for design and construction of six Natural Built shelters to be used by campers in a Campground setting. One Cob, Cordwood, Strawbale, Wattle & Daub, Clay Slip, and Papercrete Shelter. Each to be approximately 10' x 10' x 8' in size, with roof, one door, and three windows. The proposal will also include labor and materials. My Background: I've become interested in alternative building within the last year and a half. I've taken one workshop with Cob Cottage Company on basic cob construction. I plan on taking a cordwood construction workshop in the spring. I've been reading and doing research on the internet about sustainable living, passive solar design and other green/natural building techniques that include cob, cordwood, clay slip, wattle and daub, Papercrete, and earthship design. I'd call myself a neophyte. All book learning and not much hands on experience. All this interest and research because I've had a vision of finding land and building a natural built home. I'm still looking for the land. If and when I do find land, I figured I could build small shelters as a way to learn the craft, experiment with different techniques, and then, MAYBE: 1). Be able to rent them out as a way to make a living, or 2). Have a place for natural build workshops, and/or 3). Be able to build a Campground/Natural Build/Education Center Here's my Problem: After looking and pricing land I realized I have the budget for a few acres but the project requires a lot more. Zoning is also a problem, but I wont go there right now. So I went to plan "B". Which is finding someone to let me use their property to build my natural built shelters (thanks for the idea Ianto). To try to make a long story short, I came across a Director of a local State Park who told me about their pending expansion of their campground. From six to over three hundred acres! I told him about my idea of a community campground - sustainable living concept and he REALY liked the idea! So much so that he wants me to give him a formal proposal. It needs to include the type of shelter to be constructed, how long each would take to be constructed, and an estimated cost of materials. I presume all this so he can figure a cost/payback ratio. I'm WAY over my head in this situation. I've NEVER done a proposal. I feel I can handle the community campground portion of the proposal. I need help with the shelter construction details (labor and materials). Solution: I need a BUNCH of help! I do have passion and desire. And I've learned over the years that as long as you have an open mind and a clear, focused goal, anything is possible! So here's what I need (and I need it as soon as possible) from all those who can help: PROPOSALS: If anyone has done a proposal for a grant. This type proposal would probably fit my need. I know some people have been building at schools as a project for students to learn Natural building (etc.). If a proposal was required, I sure would like to see one. LABOR: An idea of how long it takes to build a shelter of Cob, Cordwood, Strawbale, Papercrete, ETC. should be based on how long it takes two workers To build a 10'x 10' x 8' shelter, with roof, one door and three windows. MATERIALS: Total materials list: Timber, Lumber, infill, tonnage, volume, etc. Everything it takes to build a Cob, Cordwood, etc. shelter/building based on the same labor benchmarked building requirements. TOTAL COST: I hope each shelter can be built for lass than $ 500.00 for total labor and matericals. What do you think? Can this be done? Is this realistic? SPECIFICATIONS: Drawings of shelters/buildings, Views: Front, Side, Top; measurements, details. I realize this info may be few and far between. PICTURES: of any small shelters/buildings you've built. Cob, Cordwood, Strawbale, Papercrete, Wattle & Daub, Clay Slip, ETC. Any I use as examples for my proposal will be credited to the sender and/or builder. FORGOT: Things I've left out! If I leave it out it's because I don't know it. So tell me if there's more I need to include. GROUP: Anyone who knows how to help me set up a discussion group for this specific proposal. I don't want to over tax on-going post that are more subject oriented. My plan is to post this ONE message on each Cob, Cordwood, Strawbale, and Papercrete (and any/others you think might be appropriate) Group/List and ask for anyone interested in helping, to use direct email to me, or to use the NEW proposal group for future post (if I figure out how to set one up). ******* I'll provide a URL to the group (in the near future) so any interested persons, contributing parties, and/or individuals who want to learn about Natural Building, can read the in-progress proposal ******* Thanks for any help... I hope everyones help will not go for naught... ===== Pack McKibben gakayaker at yahoo.com __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com
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