Cob: Earthen plaster over plywood siding?

[Carl Vilbrandt]

Dear et. al.,  The original post and main idea behind the plywood post
is that the use of any organic materials for human dwellings on a large
scale is basically not sustainable.  If you use organic materials to
keep your investment you must use some toxic material to kill the mold
and fungi that eat on the organic materials.  Some quick calculations
will show, that the amount of toxic material in "the modern building
materials" is not sustainable practice.  This is the reason to use cob
and other earthen arts to create buildings.

1. The right to know what you are using is important.   Many materials
we use that are very toxic and we do not know about it and that means
that we can not make good decisions on there use.   It is the fact that
we do not know about it not that toxic materials are available.
The contents of glues and many other materials commonly used commonly
are not labeled.  Why if plywood had the amount of toxic material
labeled on it we would not use as much plywood and if we did we would
use it in a much better way.    The toxic right to know is a very
important idea.  The right to know what you are using is even more
important.   If the composite building materials you are using does not
have a complete listing of there contents don't use them until you get a
complete listing.  Find suppliers that will give a complete list of
contents.  As a consulting engineer using computers I could not get the
a complete listing of materials used excuse proprietary mixtures,
ownership which is not true just hiding the fact the the materials are
toxic as hell. Most all building materials use are toxic .... most
glues are toxic.  All caulking is toxic. Most outside paint is toxic.
I suggest that the cob group get a list of building materials and the
amount of toxin involved.

2.  A word about animal products used as in building material.... Water
is in short supply.  The continue use of meat at the scale its being use
is clearly not sustainable. The industrialization of food production has
created the BSD that threatens us all.  This makes the use of animal
products a bio hazard.

3. The use of the entire animal as conservation given the environment
damming cause by the practices of the industrialization of food
production is not at all a good idea and it is hard to be seen as
conservation of anything but the continued distraction of the
environment. In the past the use of the whole animal and the use of
animals as a kind of food storage device at the scale of the their use.
Eating meat beef cattle now instead of being feed other animals are
eating for the most part chicken shit and ground up concrete beef cheap,
but very environmentally expensive Mac,

4.  Scale is very important even non toxic materials at a given scale
and mixture of use become toxic.  What we did in the past for 1 billion
people does not scale for 6 to 8 billion.

Best regards
cArl - :-))

Theodore Schluenderfritz wrote:

> here is a related question...sort of....
>
> Does anyone know where someone could buy something like agriboard or
> similar straw based "particle" board.
>
>  From the research I've done (and I haven't looked very hard) it seems
> like they don't sell such products to consumers...
>
> Thanks,
> Ted
>
> On Monday, April 8, 2002, at 01:49  PM, Charmaine R Taylor wrote:
>
> > HI- on the subject of animal blood- ( OK Vegans turn away)
> > I know it makes one squeamish, but what do you think happens to the
> > millions of gallons of blood from cows made into steaks and hamburger?
> > (not meaning TO START A VEGAN-MEAT EATER DISCUSSION)
> >
> > Most of it- I have heard- is used in the chemical  foam that puts out
> > fires..the kind in big tankers at the airport--anyone know for sure?
> >
> > Ox blood was used to harden earthen floors for centuries, and still is,
> > as is manure and dung ( same thing)
> >
> > it's all a process of recycling on the earth- all parts of the animal
> > are used- that seems like a good thing.
> >
> > and as much as I hate the thought of it, I'd like to know if blood is in
> > OSB board too?
> >
> > anyone know?
> >
> > Charmaine  Taylor/ Taylor Publishing
> > http://www.dirtcheapbuilder.com
> > http://www.papercrete.com
> > PO Box 375, Cutten CA 95534
> >
> >
> >
> >
> Theodore Schluenderfritz
> Illustration & Graphic Design
> 816 12th Avenue, Scranton, PA 18504
> Phone:570.343.3767 FAX:775.307.1516
>
>
>
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Dear et. al.,  The original post and main idea behind the plywood
post is that the use of any organic materials for human dwellings on a
large scale is basically not sustainable.  If you use organic materials
to keep your investment you must use some toxic material to kill the mold
and fungi that eat on the organic materials.  Some quick calculations
will show, that the amount of toxic material in "the modern building materials"
is not sustainable practice.  This is the reason to use cob and other
earthen arts to create buildings.
<p>1. The right to know what you are using is important.   Many
materials we use that are very toxic and we do not know about it and that
means that we can not make good decisions on there use.   It
is the fact that we do not know about it not that toxic materials are available.
<br>The contents of glues and many other materials commonly used commonly
are not labeled.  Why if plywood had the amount of toxic material
labeled on it we would not use as much plywood and if we did we would use
it in a much better way.    The toxic right to know is a
very important idea.  The right to know what you are using is even
more important.   If the composite building materials you are
using does not have a complete listing of there contents don't use them
until you get a complete listing.  Find suppliers that will give a
complete list of contents.  As a consulting engineer using computers
I could not get the a complete listing of materials used excuse proprietary
mixtures, ownership which is not true just hiding the fact the the materials
are toxic as hell. Most all building materials use are toxic .... most 
glues are toxic.  All caulking is toxic. Most outside paint is toxic.
<br>I suggest that the cob group get a list of building materials and the
amount of toxin involved.
<p>2.  A word about animal products used as in building material....
Water is in short supply.  The continue use of meat at the scale its
being use is clearly not sustainable. The industrialization of food production
has created the BSD that threatens us all.  This makes the use of
animal products a bio hazard.
<p>3. The use of the entire animal as conservation given the environment
damming cause by the practices of the industrialization of food production
is not at all a good idea and it is hard to be seen as conservation of
anything but the continued distraction of the environment. In the past
the use of the whole animal and the use of animals as a kind of food storage
device at the scale of the their use.  Eating meat beef cattle now
instead of being feed other animals are eating for the most part chicken
shit and ground up concrete beef cheap, but very environmentally expensive
Mac,
<p>4.  Scale is very important even non toxic materials at a given
scale and mixture of use become toxic.  What we did in the past for
1 billion people does not scale for 6 to 8 billion.
<p>Best regards
<br>cArl - :-))
<p>Theodore Schluenderfritz wrote:
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<pre>here is a related question...sort of....

Does anyone know where someone could buy something like agriboard or 
similar straw based "particle" board.

 From the research I've done (and I haven't looked very hard) it seems 
like they don't sell such products to consumers...

Thanks,
Ted

On Monday, April 8, 2002, at 01:49  PM, Charmaine R Taylor wrote:

> HI- on the subject of animal blood- ( OK Vegans turn away)
> I know it makes one squeamish, but what do you think happens to the
> millions of gallons of blood from cows made into steaks and hamburger?
> (not meaning TO START A VEGAN-MEAT EATER DISCUSSION)
>
> Most of it- I have heard- is used in the chemical  foam that puts out
> fires..the kind in big tankers at the airport--anyone know for sure?
>
> Ox blood was used to harden earthen floors for centuries, and still is,
> as is manure and dung ( same thing)
>
> it's all a process of recycling on the earth- all parts of the animal
> are used- that seems like a good thing.
>
> and as much as I hate the thought of it, I'd like to know if blood is in
> OSB board too?
>
> anyone know?
>
> Charmaine  Taylor/ Taylor Publishing
> <a href="http://www.dirtcheapbuilder.com">http://www.dirtcheapbuilder.com
</a>> <a href="http://www.papercrete.com">http://www.papercrete.com
</a>> PO Box 375, Cutten CA 95534
>
>
>
>
Theodore Schluenderfritz
Illustration & Graphic Design
816 12th Avenue, Scranton, PA 18504
Phone:570.343.3767 FAX:775.307.1516


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