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Abe Connally abe at abeconnally.com
Thu Jan 16 12:25:15 PST 2003 

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RE: Mud HutDidn't they make a movie based on those books as well?


  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-coblist at deatech.com [mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]On
Behalf Of Neana
  Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:23 PM
  To: coblist at deatech.com
  Subject: Cob: RE: Mud Hut


  Has anybody read any of Daniel Quinn's Ishmael series.  Extremely
thought-provoking.  Slightly off-topic as far as building, but not as far as
alternative lifestyles.
  Neana


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Abe Connally
  To: coblist at deatech.com
  Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:18 PM
  Subject: Cob: RE: RE: Mud Hut


  Yes,

  Joseph Campbell can illustrate the path for anyone.  Another good read of
his is "The Hero with a Thousand Faces"

  What we must learn is how to merge our current knowledge and technology
with the balance of the past.  There is no reason why one cannot have both.
Build with cob, use alternative energy, and still surf the net in the
afternoon.  Actually, the best example is this list.  A discussion of like
minds that spans continents, but the subject matter is over 10,000 years
old.

  My girlfriend and I are building a self-sustainable home nessled in the
mountains of the Chihuahuan desert.  We are building out of cob and stone
(both readily available)and including the standard gridless setup (ie..
rainwater catchment, solar and wind energy, passive solar design, etc).  We
are also including modern conveniences like High speed satellite internet
access, propane refrigeration, electric lights, etc.

  Anything is possible.  Just focus your thoughts and energy on what needs
to be accomplished, and then look and what you lack.  If done in the right
frame of mind, you will never lack anything.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: owner-coblist at deatech.com [mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]On
Behalf Of Ben Harrison
    Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:42 AM
    To: 'sarah kercheval'; coblist at deatech.com
    Subject: Cob: RE: Mud Hut


    I happen to own this book. I picked it up from Borders books several
months
    ago. It really is a great book. It's pretty much the only comprehensive
book
    I've been able to find on "primative architecture" of any kind. I would
highly
    recommend it to anyone interested in such things. I thoroughly agree
with Sarah's
    sentiments. There used to be a balance between man and nature. When I
look at what
    the world has become and the world that the native Americans thrived in,
their world
    looks quite utopian by comparison. It was only when man put himself
above nature
    (rather than a humble piece within nature) that the slow but steady
march toward this
    mess that we have now began. You could blame it on the rise of the
Europeans(of which I'm decended)
    but it really goes back to the birth of the the Judao-Christian
religions. There was
    a time when my ancestors in Europe lived much like the native Americans.
Yes, like it or not,
    religion and science are both equally to blame for the dead end road we
find ourselves racing down.
    The Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell is another great book I would
recommend.

    -----Original Message-----
    From: sarah kercheval [mailto:hi_eagle at hotmail.com]
    Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:15 AM
    To: coblist at deatech.com
    Subject: Cob: Mud Hut



    Yes, I agree, just call it what it is, and be proud!
    Check out a really great book called Native American Architecture, the
next
    time you're at the library.  It is a great resource of natural buildings
    that populated our landscape not too long ago.  We are looking to
pruchase
    this book in the future to reinforce our proof that what you live in is
not
    as important as HOW you live, ie, safe healthy, eco concious living
    structures.
    The proof positive that these structures are superior, is in the fact
that
    they no longer can be seen standing in most places.  They are gentler
and
    kinder to the earth in that they go back to it when their time is over.
    This is in itself natural.
    Sarah



    >From: "neana" <neana at terraworld.net>
    >Reply-To: "neana" <neana at terraworld.net>
    >To: coblist at deatech.com
    >Subject: RE: Cob: adobe/cob Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:20:36 -0600
    >
    >Everytime I mention these concepts to someone who is not 'into natural
    >building', they cut across all of our carefully worded definitions and
    >exclaim, "Are you REALLY going to build a MUD HUT?".  Since I have
planned
    >an amalgamation(sp?) of methods from the beginning, I have quit
fighting
    >and just answer, "Yep.  Got a problem with that?".
    >
    >;)
    >Neana
    >PS: Very punny, Matt!



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  size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
owner-coblist at deatech.com=20
  [mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]<B>On Behalf Of =
</B>Neana<BR><B>Sent:</B>=20
  Thursday, January 16, 2003 1:23 PM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
  coblist at deatech.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Cob: RE: Mud =
Hut<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Has anybody read any of Daniel =
Quinn's Ishmael=20
  series.&nbsp; Extremely thought-provoking.&nbsp;&nbsp;Slightly =
off-topic as=20
  far as building, but not as far as alternative =
lifestyles.</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Neana</FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message -----=20
  <DIV style=3D"BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A=20
  title=3Dabe at abeconnally.com href=3D"mailto:abe at abeconnally.com">Abe =
Connally</A>=20
  </DIV>
  <DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=3Dcoblist at deatech.com=20
  href=3D"mailto:coblist at deatech.com">coblist at deatech.com</A> </DIV>
  <DIV><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:18 PM</DIV>
  <DIV><B>Subject:</B> Cob: RE: RE: Mud Hut</DIV></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D820181118-16012003>Yes,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D820181118-16012003>Joseph Campbell can illustrate the path for =

  anyone.&nbsp; Another good read of his is "The Hero with a Thousand=20
  Faces"</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D820181118-16012003>What=20
  we must learn is how to merge our current knowledge and =
technology&nbsp;with=20
  the balance of the past.&nbsp; There is no reason why one cannot have=20
  both.&nbsp; Build with cob, use alternative energy, and still surf the =
net in=20
  the afternoon.&nbsp; Actually, the best example is this list.&nbsp; A=20
  discussion of like minds that spans continents, but the subject matter =
is over=20
  10,000 years old.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D820181118-16012003>My=20
  girlfriend and I are building a self-sustainable home nessled in the =
mountains=20
  of the Chihuahuan desert.&nbsp; We are building out of cob and stone =
(both=20
  readily available)and including the standard gridless setup (ie.. =
rainwater=20
  catchment, solar and wind energy, passive solar design, etc).&nbsp; We =
are=20
  also including modern conveniences like High speed satellite internet =
access,=20
  propane refrigeration, electric lights, etc.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D820181118-16012003>Anything is possible.&nbsp; Just focus your =
thoughts=20
  and energy on what needs to be accomplished, and then look and what =
you=20
  lack.&nbsp; If done in the right frame of mind, you will never lack=20
  anything.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV><FONT face=3DArial color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
  class=3D820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE dir=3Dltr style=3D"MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
    <DIV class=3DOutlookMessageHeader dir=3Dltr align=3Dleft><FONT =
face=3DTahoma=20
    size=3D2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> =
owner-coblist at deatech.com=20
    [mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Ben=20
    Harrison<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:42 =
AM<BR><B>To:</B>=20
    'sarah kercheval'; coblist at deatech.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Cob: RE: =
Mud=20
    Hut<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
    <P><FONT size=3D2>I happen to own this book. I picked it up from =
Borders books=20
    several months</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>ago. It really is a great =
book. It's=20
    pretty much the only comprehensive book </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>I've been=20
    able to find on "primative architecture" of any kind. I would highly =

    </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>recommend it to anyone interested in such =
things. I=20
    thoroughly agree with Sarah's</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>sentiments. =
There used=20
    to be a balance between man and nature. When I look at what =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
    size=3D2>the world has become and the world that the native =
Americans thrived=20
    in, their world </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>looks quite utopian by =
comparison.=20
    It was only when man put himself above nature</FONT> <BR><FONT=20
    size=3D2>(rather than a humble piece within nature) that the slow =
but steady=20
    march toward this </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>mess that we have now =
began. You=20
    could blame it on the rise of the Europeans(of which I'm =
decended)</FONT>=20
    <BR><FONT size=3D2>but it really goes back to the birth of the the=20
    Judao-Christian religions. There was</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>a =
time when my=20
    ancestors in Europe lived much like the native Americans. Yes, like =
it or=20
    not, </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>religion and science are both equally =
to blame=20
    for the dead end road we find ourselves racing down.</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
    size=3D2>The Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell is another great book =
I would=20
    recommend.&nbsp;&nbsp; </FONT></P>
    <P><FONT size=3D2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>From:=20
    sarah kercheval [<A=20
    =
href=3D"mailto:hi_eagle at hotmail.com">mailto:hi_eagle at hotmail.com</A>]</FO=
NT>=20
    <BR><FONT size=3D2>Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:15 AM</FONT> =
<BR><FONT=20
    size=3D2>To: coblist at deatech.com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Subject: =
Cob: Mud=20
    Hut</FONT> </P><BR>
    <P><FONT size=3D2>Yes, I agree, just call it what it is, and be =
proud!</FONT>=20
    <BR><FONT size=3D2>Check out a really great book called Native =
American=20
    Architecture, the next </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>time you're at the=20
    library.&nbsp; It is a great resource of natural buildings =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
    size=3D2>that populated our landscape not too long ago.&nbsp; We are =
looking=20
    to pruchase </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>this book in the future to =
reinforce our=20
    proof that what you live in is not </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>as =
important as=20
    HOW you live, ie, safe healthy, eco concious living </FONT><BR><FONT =

    size=3D2>structures.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>The proof positive =
that these=20
    structures are superior, is in the fact that </FONT><BR><FONT =
size=3D2>they no=20
    longer can be seen standing in most places.&nbsp; They are gentler =
and=20
    </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>kinder to the earth in that they go back =
to it when=20
    their time is over.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>This is in itself=20
    natural.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>Sarah</FONT> </P><BR>
    <P><FONT size=3D2>&gt;From: "neana" =
&lt;neana at terraworld.net&gt;</FONT>=20
    <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;Reply-To: "neana" =
&lt;neana at terraworld.net&gt;</FONT>=20
    <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;To: coblist at deatech.com</FONT> <BR><FONT=20
    size=3D2>&gt;Subject: RE: Cob: adobe/cob Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 =
09:20:36=20
    -0600</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT =
size=3D2>&gt;Everytime I=20
    mention these concepts to someone who is not 'into natural =
</FONT><BR><FONT=20
    size=3D2>&gt;building', they cut across all of our carefully worded=20
    definitions and </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;exclaim, "Are you =
REALLY going=20
    to build a MUD HUT?".&nbsp; Since I have planned </FONT><BR><FONT=20
    size=3D2>&gt;an amalgamation(sp?) of methods from the beginning, I =
have quit=20
    fighting </FONT><BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;and just answer, "Yep.&nbsp; =
Got a=20
    problem with that?".</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;</FONT> <BR><FONT =

    size=3D2>&gt;;)</FONT> <BR><FONT size=3D2>&gt;Neana</FONT> <BR><FONT =

    size=3D2>&gt;PS: Very punny, Matt!</FONT> </P><BR>
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