[Cob] (no subject) http://portland.indymedia.org/en/static/pdxradio.shtml

[Joseph R Dupont]

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On Fri, 2 Apr 2004 20:44:39 -0800 "Lee Shultz"
<lee.shultz at westrimcrafts.com> writes:
> Hi, David.
> 
> You know, you could build cob houses for people and give people 
> beautiful homes for much less (since the materials could be very 
> inexpensive), and you could still make a good profit. And hopefully 
> these people would not have to have a mortgage. (Though I think the 
> owners would be missing something special not to at least help in 
> the building process.)
> 
> I remember a point made by Charles Long in his book, "How to Surive 
> Without a Salary:" most people work an average of 15 years just to 
> pay for a roof over their heads, whether they rent or own. 
> Considering that, can anyone afford not to take time off to build 
> for themselves? And I know many people who have done it, and I plan 
> on being one of them soon.
> 
> Sorry, a 30 year mortgage, or any mortgage for that matter, really, 
> really, really, really sucks. If one has a job they love and also 
> makes enough money in that job to pay the mortgage, he or she will 
> probably not feel enslaved. But most people find themselves in 
> high-stress jobs they hate to pay the mortgage. I would think that 
> would feel a lot like endentured servitude. And especially when the 
> job is a 70-hour a week job. Our technology in the US is getting 
> better and better, but most people are working longer and longer 
> hours. And this reminds me of something Laurie Anderson said: "We 
> are in a race with speed."
> 
> Well, the hell with that race. I would rather own my own life. 
> 
> Bye for now,
> 
> Beverly
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Knowlton [mailto:pilot1ab80 at hotmail.com]
> Sent: Friday, April 02, 2004 12:19 PM
> To: dealy at deatech.com; JILLPRUETT at peoplepc.com
> Cc: coblist at deatech.com
> Subject: Re: [Cob] (no subject)
> 
> 
> hi,
> 
> i angered some folks by suggesting that someone engineer a way to 
> make
> sustainable building commercially profitable. my idea was that if 
> it's good 
> for
> the planet, why not make money at it? money is good. (i'm 
> conservative)
> 
> detractors felt i had tainted an idea central to cob - that being 
> that by 
> doing
> it yourself you can be free of a 30 year mortgage, which i think 
> they viewed 
> as
> being a nasty capitalist form of enslavement.
> 
> more power to the folks that have time to do it themselves. more 
> power still 
> if
> you can afford to eat while you build your own place.
> 
> meanwhile - cob is still grass roots. if someone out there figures 
> out how 
> to make
> mud houses commercially viable - please post. i'll buy stock 
> certificate 
> number 1.
> 
> good building to you. david
> 
> 
> >From: "Shannon C. Dealy" <dealy at deatech.com>
> >Reply-To: dealy at deatech.com
> >To: The Pruett's <JILLPRUETT at peoplepc.com>
> >CC: Cob <coblist at deatech.com>
> >Subject: Re: [Cob] (no subject)
> >Date: Fri, 2 Apr 2004 11:30:50 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >On Fri, 2 Apr 2004, The Pruett's wrote:
> >
> > > What is the average cost per square foot (or length foot) of 
> cob?
> > > Not including all the other house building needs there are, of 
> course.
> > > A site I follow says it is $400/LF for adobe. Isn't that a lot?
> > >
> > > jill
> >
> >No meaningful average is possible.  If you do it yourself (and 
> don't pay
> >yourself), use only materials from the site, the cost is $0.  If on 
> the
> >other hand, you hire someone to do it, have all the materials 
> trucked in,
> >then it depends on a whole lot of things (foot mixing or 
> mechanical
> >mixing, do you hold a workshop to offset some of the costs, how 
> readily
> >are materials available in your area, what does it cost for 
> trucking,
> >etc.)
> >
> >That $400/LF for adobe is almost certainly for paying someone to do 
> it,
> >but there are many factors not stated which need to be considered: 
> how
> >tall is the wall (1 LF 8' tall is alot cheaper than 1 LF 16 feet 
> tall),
> >does this include foundation, was it engineered for a heavy 
> earthquake
> >zone, how far are the adobe blocks being trucked to get them to the 
> site,
> >are they figuring just the wall costs or are they averaging in the 
> total
> >cost of the building, etc.
> >
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