RE. [Cob] sustainability

[yourfavoriteElf ofthemall]

Wow!   Thanks for the passionate........................ATTACK!!!!

I havn't seen one of those in a while.

Opportunity for enlightenment? -  Agreed.  It can happen to us? -  Agreed.  
It's happening all the time in small instances. MY point, is  it seems that 
the very  reason we are able to build 'sustainably' now, is because of the 
scale in which we are doing it. As long as capitalism is the system that 
dominates in our societies around the world, the materials we build with are 
arbitrary. We could be using limestone, aggregate, glass, petroleum, or 
anything we want to sustainably.

So, why not keep our permaculture skills a quiet revolution so that 
developers cant capitalize on the new eco train thats rolling in. And spring 
it on them when their numbers are small enough to have no effect on our 
revolution!

As far as biodiesel goes, I know where it comes from. I've read books & 
taken classes on it and have made it in small batches. It can and does come 
from "waste" oil, but is that sustainable? Concidering that we would have to 
have about a 1000 times as many gallons per year of fryer grease for the 
cause. Thats alot of unhealthy people out there eating fried foods, not to 
mention that the oil doesn't start out "recycled" - Research fuel oil grown 
in algae. We simply have to USE less.

PEOPLE do dig their own clay from under their topsoil, DEVELOPERS of 3000 
square ft. cob homes do not! They buy materials from corporations that 
control OUR natural resources at prices created based on a false world 
economy! I said nothing about a new species, I was refering to all of us 
human beings not being responsible enough to know when NOT to exploit or 
"capitalize".

I wonder if you would have given me the FOX news bit 6 years ago when they 
were spewing the same crap, but it hadn't cought on as a catch phrase within 
the alternative thinking community yet. Maybe you feel comfortable using it 
because of some of Michael Moores films.  Well, either way it's an 
incredibly shallow and inefective attempt to discredit what I am talking 
about.

As you say, I might be a Troll, but you my friend,  sound like a FOOL!

P

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>Perry/Elf is too pessimistic, and comes off as a real !@@#$%.  People  for 
>all time have had the opportunity to become enlightened. It  happened to 
>the buddha 2000 years ago, it can happen to us. It's a  matter of 
>recognizing certain ideas, that's all. The point isn't to  suddenly switch 
>to 'sustainability' methods and open up some clay  mines and start clearing 
>forests so we can grow canola to turn into  biodiesel. That's a bunch of 
>Fox-news strawman crap.   Biodiesel  comes from biodegradable LEFTOVERS. 
>Clay is the most abundant element  in the outer layer of our earth. People 
>won't have to mine it, just  dig it from under their own topsoil. It's NOT 
>a fallacious concept,  and if you think it is, then it's still valid for us 
>to do what we do  as a part of natural selection. While the rest of the 
>world destroys  itself, we'll be able to go off and live somewhere in our 
>earthen  huts and survive. Then our descendents will be this new 'species'  
>you're talking about. Quit your bitching, you're a troll, not an elf.
>
>Jon Kerr