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[Cob] Why bother with Building InspectorsYun Que yunk88 at hotmail.comTue May 8 21:35:01 CDT 2007
Cat here!
I resent the concept vehemently that anyone arbitrarily has the right
to protect me from myself!
In the hospital where I worked a child of 8 was brought in alive from
a trailer fire. Her eyelids were burned off and all of her fingers.
Melted plastic engulfed her in a molten mass. The trailer she was
sleeping in burned completely in 10 minutes. Trailers pass code.
That image has never left me. Clay doesn't burn.
Native peoples would move from any area that posed a natural threat.
"the Earth had spoken" There is something in this discussion that is
very enlightening. marvelous!
We have been carefully taught to be fearful and weak. We have also
been taught to ignore the obvious.
philosophies are no substitute for necessity! build like your life
depends on it!
for the good of all C.
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From: Tom Johnson <arlintj at yahoo.com>
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Subject: [Cob] Why bother with Building Inspectors
Date: Tue, 1 May 2007 13:38:03 -0700 (PDT)
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>Building Inspectors are there to keep us safe: Sometimes from
ourselves and sometimes from the less than honest. It is true that
we can find throughout the world excelllent examples of what a well
built natural building can do, however that is not enough to give
the powers that be confidence in something they know little about.
The law says to occupy a dwelling you must have a certificate of
occupancy. In order to get one of those your building must meet
code. An inspector is not going to came out to your site and pass
your building because it is so artistic and natural and you like it
and thats how they built them long ago so it must be good. They
will want to see some objective facts about your material in a
language they have been trained to understand. How strong is it in
shear and compression. What are the physics of how it keeps you
warm. While they may care about how environmentally sound it is
that wont be enough for them to issue you a permit.
>
> Also consider those who may be more burdened with worldly goods
and may feel the need to purchase insurance, even if just on the
contents of their home. Do you think the insurance company will be
inclined to insure valuables stored in a structure which is not
certified to be safe? And what about the family who must move and
decides to sell their home of mud. Leaving behind the things you
have worked hard for may be ok for some but most will want some
return on their investment. Since a substandard structure will have
little value how do you think it will be viewed by those who levy
taxes on our property. Actually we lease it from them, try not
paying the taxes and see how long you last.
>
> Being able to build a home in your own style and with the
materials you choose would certainly work out much better if it
could be certified as conforming to a building code. No fear of
bulldozers. Build a home and build equity. No reason to worry about
whether the neighbors will turn you in.
>
> With regards to building materials: The material for walls was
not what I had in mind. What about all of th systems people will
use in their homes. Like electricity, heating, plumbing, etc.
Surely some opportunities would exist for cob or adobe or strawbale
specific hardware. Imagine what would happen to the market for
natural plasters if diy'ers could just go buy is at the store
instead of having to do it all yourself. How about specialty
furniture which would accomodate those slightly uneven floors. From
need comes opportunity.
>
> Mostly my thought revolve around the idea that the more we can
have in common the easier it will be for us to do things the way we
want and the easier it will be for others to come over to our way
of thinking.
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>1. cob code effort (claysandstraw)
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>1. Re: Cob code effort (Ron Becker)
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>I fail to see why building codes are a problem. Cob is very very
old
>technique. We do not need any new research to demonstrate the
earthen walls
>are capable of supporting themselves and a roof. And Ron, building
>inspectors are not naturally close minded. We all need to be
careful about
>pre-judging everyone, people will tend to live up to whatever
expectations
>we place on them.
>
>In reguards to Tom's question about what interest building
material supplies
>have in cob: "cob" is not simply a building technique its a
gateway to a
>paradigm shift. Part of that shift is learning, looking and
experimenting
>with what is most avaliable at your site. Why would I pay a
"building
>matieral supplier" to come harvest soil from under my feet?
Ideally there
>is no role for such a person on a cob site.
>
>Now the reality... where do you keep your muddy shovels in a high
rise
>condo? And what happens if I have to spend two days and a tank and
a half
>of gas driving across the country side to get the perfect color of
clay, the
>right sand and a bale of straw for my plaster... wouldn't it have
been less
>impact to just get the bag of kaolin and pigment or American Clay?
>
>The other thing is that for better or worse, advertising is a
powerful force
>in american culture - can we get building suppliers to recruit for
our
>cause? Maybe a bag of ready mixed branded plaster is the first
baby step
>toward the journey of making a full paradigm shift. Baby steps,
despite
>their imperfection, are a crucial part of any journey.
>
>Kindra
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> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, 27 Apr 2007 12:54:58 -0700 (PDT) Tom Johnson
> >>
> >> writes:
> >> > Please pardon if my ignorance is showing I am new around
here. I
> >> > live in Western Washington. Cob does not seem to be getting
much
> >> > exposure around here. Any "cobbers" please respond.
> >> > Is there currently a unified effort to crack the building
code
> >> > problem? Who is on board for research and engineering? Are
there
> >> > municipalities willing to risk being front runners in the
search for
> >> > a greener way, not in Oregon?
> >> >
> >> > Are there any pilot projects currently ongoing with the
> >> > participation of government, education and business
partners. Most
> >> > importantly is there money available to do such a thing.
> >> >
> >> > Since cob creates a monolithic structure it seems to me that
it
> >> > would be a likely candidate for computer modeled analysis.
> >> >
> >> > Most joe lunchbuckets out there are stuck in the ordinary
and
> >> > conventional. How does cob appeal to them? While I
appreciate the
> >> > uniqueness of many of the cob structures available for view
on the
> >> > internet I don't see how they would appeal to most of my
neighbors.
> >> > How does cob create an opportunity for builders and
suppliers of
> >> > building materials.
> >> >
> >> > Acceptance and integration of natural building materials
into the
> >> > conventional building industry would certainly make it
easier for
> >> > those of us who would like to live a more natural life.
> >> >
> >> > In short how do we go about selling NBM to the
overcarbonized?
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