[Cob] Experimental Aircraft

[Tom Johnson]

My father was an FAA designated inspector for homebuilt aircraft for many years.  They can't just build what they want.  Each aircraft is reviewed for design and then inspected several times during its construction. The interesting thing is that Experimental Aircraft enthusiasts have a strong presence in the aviation arena.  Mr Rutan, who concieved and built the nonstop around the world craft of recent years is a home builder.
   
  Ever heard of Oshkosh?  These folks get together from all over the globe and meet in Wisconsin every year to celebrate their shared interest and the matters of expertise involved in its pursuit.  I think there is a powerful lesson to be learned here.  The first being don't give up.
   
  I am meeting with the legislative aide of Dan Roach, my representative in the state government to see how to best approach the issue of adding to the Building code adopted by Washington State.  I am thinking of adding something like an addendum to the existing code.  Any helpful thoughts or offers of help would be appreciated.
   
  Tom Johnson

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Today's Topics:

1. an alternative to the "must have" permit. (Wesley Sandel)
2. Re: an alternative to the "must have" permit. (Shody Ryon)
3. Permits - N O T here (Ray Cirino)
4. Cob Codes / Sea Salt (JSENT)
5. "official engineering stats"??? (Sarah Booth)


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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 21:34:08 +0100
From: "Wesley Sandel" 
Subject: [Cob] an alternative to the "must have" permit.
To: coblist at deatech.com
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Well, they license home built aircraft as experimental, so this sounds
perfectly reasonable to me.


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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:03:41 -0700 (PDT)
From: Shody Ryon 
Subject: Re: [Cob] an alternative to the "must have" permit.
To: coblist at deatech.com
Cc: Wesley Sandel 
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I wonder if there is a minimum standard that aircraft
are required to meet to be classified as experimental.
If not, this gives new meaning to the use of the term
"flying debris"!
I wonder what the comparative danger is between a roof
that is carried away by wind vs an aircraft that has
failed and is falling out of the sky? Logically I
would agree that the danger each pose intuitively seem
about equal.
I would expect that a person would need to apply for a
variance which usually includes the neighbors sign a
waver. In this case they would adding to the probable
increase of danger to themselves and their visitors.
Cheers,
Shody

--- Wesley Sandel wrote:

> Well, they license home built aircraft as
> experimental, so this sounds
> perfectly reasonable to me.
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 14:54:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: Ray Cirino 
Subject: [Cob] Permits - N O T here
To: Wesley Sandel , coblist at deatech.com
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Dear Cobbers,
This past weekend I saw something from back in the 60's. I can't tell you the city or they'll get in trouble. I witnessed 26 people living in a house and about 10 outside in make shift tents out of 10 ml black plastic sheets. The have two bathrooms in the home and the bedrooms are all bunked. These are young college students that want to live here and are willing to pay $600 for their tiny space. It's so weird to see wires on the ground with computers under these tarp cubicles. The landlord rents the house and makes almost $16,000 a month. He's very strick about cleaning up. Imagine if you had a few cob guest rooms in your back yard and rented them out. If any of you have a great place to live, I'd get on this idea. All you do to get people is put an add in the community paper. 
I think these young kids are in a virtual world they can't get out of and are willing to do this because they can't afford anything else. This will be the future in cities and our society has no blueprint for the future. Natural builders can make big money and teach permaculture at the same time. Times are going to get better for us, and as others, get worst.
Sincerely,
Ray


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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 7 May 2007 15:19:46 -0700 (PDT)
From: JSENT 
Subject: [Cob] Cob Codes / Sea Salt
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Regarding building with cob, I suggest be like Gandhi who walked to the sea and made salt in defiance of the British monopoly. Asking for permission to build a shelter only encourages those pesky people who think they should be able to tell you.


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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 07 May 2007 19:58:51 -0600
From: "Sarah Booth" 
Subject: [Cob] "official engineering stats"???
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Cc: kindra at claysandstraw.com
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Hey Kindra, in your recent entry to this listserve, you mentioned "there are 
plenty of built examples and official engineering stats to back it all up" 
I would love to know about any sources on any official engineering stats. I 
am currently trying to get a permit for a partially constructed cob 
structure and have been beating my head against my computer screen for most 
of the winter trying to find anything but anecdotal evidence in support of 
cob structural strength. I'm personally confident in cobs viability, but 
I'm desperate for some of that sweet sweet official stat stuff to show my 
city permitting department to help my case! Thanks, Sarah Booth

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