[Cob] recent pejorative postings regarding my earlierpostings...yawn...

[Yun Que]

   Cat here!
   Sorry I offended you ! The throwing shit remark was not supposed to be
   so seriously taken.  Particularly since manure is often incorporated
   into some mixes!  It is difficult to speak in words to folks from all
   over the world who have different perspectives.  Humor is so personal
   and impossible to translate.

    I'm just a seat of the pants kinda gal, existentialist, anarchist and
   part time shit disturber,  making the best of a weird world that is
   just getting weirder.  We are obviously not on the same side of the
   elephant!.  your rope is my wall or vice versa.  I like to laugh at
   myself and have some great fun thinking how much we all help each
   other see the gaps.

   fear was not a personal remark or accusation it was a general
   observation in the emotional, manipulation of action.  I am often
   amazed at how much of it is still built into my circuits. I prefer to
   accept fear as a healthy tool for survival.  when it blossoms into
   cowardice then it becomes damaging

   I am not against you or for you just along the same way dragging
   my trust along for security!!  and I'll take that shit and pound it
   into my gaps if you don't mind  Thank you for your candid remarks.

   Smile the post was not directed at you personally.  often an
   individual can inspire a philosophical thread.  And so it was with
   this.
   for the good of all C.
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     From: Ocean Liff-Anderson <ocean at woodfiredeatery.com>
     To: Yun Que <yunk88 at hotmail.com>
     CC: coblist at deatech.com
     Subject: Re: [Cob] recent pejorative postings regarding my
     earlierpostings...yawn...
     Date: Mon, 16 Jul 2007 09:51:00 -0700
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     >For clarity, one more time (!) I was not throwing "shit", but
     merely
     >suggesting that we "cob-listers" should consider the wisdom of our
     >cob "elders". Neither am I "afraid" of cob building if it is done
     >well, but I must say I am getting little bored at the silly,
     >inconsistent discourse of this list.
     >
     >Certainly, Cat, a child can build a snow cave and have a cozy
     >afternoon drinking cocoa in it. But would you want an infant to
     >build your house, or our bridges or highways? Naivete has its
     place,
     >but so does education, training and expertise.
     >
     >On the other hand, lets recall those recent posts so concerned
     with
     >securing permission from the all-powerful Building Department to
     >build our cob masterpieces. In my option this will never happen,
     >since "official" authorities will never respect what we do -
     >grassroots construction, off-the-grid housing. Then again, I don't
     >feel I need their permission to build either.
     >
     >There is a middle ground of authority in the emerging cob field
     which
     >has earned my respect: Ianto, Linda and Michael have decades and
     >literally hundreds of building in their portfolio, and they have
     >earned my devotion as the leaders of the field. Their workshops
     are
     >thorough, incredibly fun and inspirational. And if you don't have
     >$600, they offer "sustainable lifestyle" discounts, work trades,
     etc.
     >
     >For anyone who can't get to Oregon for a Cob Cottage workshop, I
     also
     >recommend their primer, the "Hand Sculpted House", undoubtedly to
     >best researched and detailed "how-to" manual on earthen building.
     >The book explains rather well why straw is needed, as well as
     >economic and ecological motivations, and the healing aspects of
     cob.
     >It's available through most online book sellers, and also through
     our
     >online store at http://www.woodfiredeatery.com
     >
     >BTW - its OK to used hay or straw with seeds - the wall sprouts
     the
     >first season while its wet, looks like a chia pet, but then once
     dry
     >no more growth.
     >
     >Cobbing always,
     >Ocean Liff-Anderson
     >
     >Steward, Ahimsa Sanctuary
     >http://www.peacemaking.org
     >
     >Proprietor, Intaba's Wildfire Restaurant
     >http://www.woodfiredeatery.com
     >
     >
     >
     >On Jul 16, 2007, at 7:53 AM, Yun Que wrote:
     >
     > >
     > > Cat here! That was funny made me laugh. Nothing like humor to
     > > clear
     > > the air of fear.
     > >
     > > Speaking of fear it's a great deterrent. the media ,government
     > > religions have been using it for centuries! Keeps the mob in
     line
     > > running on the wheels they provide and feeling good about
     > > themselves.
     > > They pass the fear on like an infection and control is
     > > accomplished!
     > >
     > > When I was a wee one in Ohio, I made some mud-men on the front
     > > porch.
     > > As my project developed I noticed that the mud-people cracked
     up
     > > when
     > > they didn't "feel right" and the ones that "felt right" didn't
     > > crack
     > > as they dried and were impossible to break up, as my mother
     will be
     > > witness to.
     > >
     > > i was a child with no information but my ability to observe
     what
     > > i was
     > > doing with complete purpose and without criticism. Within the
     > > limits
     > > of my interest I learned what worked and what didn't. Why,
     became
     > > superfluous. the best of life's little issues are more often
     > > than not
     > > answered by the simplicity of natural exploration.
     > >
     > > Why did the igloo of snow that winter stay happily over our
     heads?
     > > Haven't a clue? maybe it was because we didn't have a bunch of
     > > scared
     > > grown ups telling us all the things that could happen if we
     didn't
     > > make it according to code. We did have neighbors that watched
     us
     > > play. And I am sure if the dome had collapsed on our little
     > > heads the
     > > cavalry would have dug us out and we would have enjoyed the
     > > excitement
     > > again over hot chocolate and buttered toast.
     > >
     > > If your afraid, be afraid but don't try to pass it on. Start
     > > small,
     > > Until you can feel your fear disappear with your intuition
     > > and wisdom. Build a tool shed, or a tea house, play!!! no one
     is
     > > afraid to play!
     > >
     > > So in short have fun with the mud just quit throwing
     shit....straw
     > > dries the clay a bit and acts as a binder, hemp stalk, or maybe
     rag
     > > strips could do the same?? I don't know haven't used that.
     avoid
     > > anything that has seeds. they will take root and grow.
     > >
     > > Life is like that whatever you plant grows. nuff said!
     > >
     > >
     > > for the good of all C.
     > >
     >
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