Cob: RE: RE: RE: Sealing cement roofs

Fri Jan 17 13:43:10 CST 2003

Brent! Man......take a chill pill. I think it's pretty obvious if you
actually read
my entire response that I would be in agreement with most if not all the
points
you are making here. You're right. O.K.? But don't feel the need to "school"
me
on this subject. I'm a pretty informed individual and am quite aware of the
history.
I'm as appalled by this as you are. I'm just not willing to jump up on a
soap box
then jump down someones throat when they haven't said anything to deserve
it.
Get a grip.

-----Original Message-----
From: Brent Flaco Wilson [mailto:realm_fitness at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:56 PM
To: Ben Harrison; PNewberry at HFHI.org; coblist at deatech.com
Subject: Re: Cob: RE: RE: RE: Sealing cement roofs

Well lets take a guess at where dirt poor people in mexico and guatemala get

their hands on lead based paint, styrofaom, etc.  Could it be do to the 
influence and domincance of the "first" world.  I have never heard of 
traditional homes in either country using paint, styrofoam, it's only until 
the people have their land base stripped and used for capatilist ventures 
that they have to resort to surviving using the "machines" products, lets be

real, rich ways of life using native substances is what most 3rd countries 
are known for.  LOOK to the source and you will find we live on the pig!

>From: Ben Harrison <bharrison at crystald.com>
>Reply-To: Ben Harrison <bharrison at crystald.com>
>To: 'Patrick Newberry' <PNewberry at HFHI.org>, coblist at deatech.com
>Subject: Cob: RE: RE: RE: Sealing cement roofs
>Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:51:50 -0800
>
>Yes, I understood that they weren't using it for an inside application. I
>was simlpy suggesting that if they were willing to paint
>their exterior concrete walls with a mixture of gasoline and styrofoam
>(which on it's face anyway sounds pretty nasty) then they
>might also not be aware of the dangers of lead based paints and use those 
>on
>their interiors. I was in no way suggesting that
>"first world" countries are inherently "better" than third world countries.
>There is alot about this country and capitolism that I
>despise and am embarrased by. I do think that most people are aware that
>many "third world" countries don't have the same
>level of education when it comes to these things or the laws are less 
>strict
>when it comes to dealing with toxic substances.
>That's why so many heartless, money grubbing, American corporations set up
>shop in these places right? It's a sad reality
>but a reality none the less. Sorry for the rant.
>
>- Ben
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Patrick Newberry [mailto:PNewberry at HFHI.org]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:01 AM
>To: coblist at deatech.com
>Subject: Cob: RE: RE: Sealing cement roofs
>
>
>They were not using it for an inside application, only on the cement roofs
>to seal. I'm belive it would dry reasonable quickly.  Of course it might be
>a bad idea, still investigating, of course there are a lot of things get
>done by  rich educated folks in first world countries  that should not be
>immiated either, just to make a buck :-)
>
>Pat Newberry
>www.gypsyfarm.com
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Ben Harrison [mailto:bharrison at crystald.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:50 PM
>To: Patrick Newberry; coblist at deatech.com
>Subject: RE: RE: Sealing cement roofs
>
>
>
>Not only is it not very natural but it sounds like cancer just waiting to
>happen.
>I'm sure there are plenty of things the uneducated poor do in third world
>countries
>that involve the use of hazardous, cancer causing materials but is that
>something we
>want to immitate? They probably still use lead based paints to cover their
>interior
>walls too. Don't gamble with your health just to save a buck. :)
>
>- Ben
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Patrick Newberry [ mailto:PNewberry at HFHI.org
><mailto:PNewberry at HFHI.org> ]
>Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:16 AM
>To: coblist at deatech.com
>Subject: Cob: RE: Sealing cement roofs
>
>
>I know this isn't very natural, but I heard about some cement roofs being
>sealed in Guatamala using old styrofoam and gasoline. Mixed to gether I
>guess it melts the styrofoam into some type of a substance that can then be
>painted on to the cement and seal it.
>
>This is currently being used on habitat homes in Guatamala.
>
>Has anyone else heard of this. I'll be putting a ferro cement roof over the
>outer section of my cob house and have been looking into fibers (looking at
>steel and fiberglass) to try to keep it as thin as possible since I am
>building by hand and must carry the cement up to the roof.
>
>Pat
>www.gypsyfarm.com
>

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Brent! Man......take a chill pill. I think it's pretty obvious if you actually read
 my entire response that I would be in agreement with most if not all the points
 you are making here. You're right. O.K.? But don't feel the need to "school" me
 on this subject. I'm a pretty informed individual and am quite aware of the history.
 I'm as appalled by this as you are. I'm just not willing to jump up on a soap box
 then jump down someones throat when they haven't said anything to deserve it.
 Get a grip.

<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Brent Flaco Wilson [<A HREF="mailto:realm_fitness at hotmail.com">mailto:realm_fitness at hotmail.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:56 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: Ben Harrison; PNewberry at HFHI.org; coblist at deatech.com</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: Cob: RE: RE: RE: Sealing cement roofs</FONT>
</P>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Well lets take a guess at where dirt poor people in mexico and guatemala get </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>their hands on lead based paint, styrofaom, etc.  Could it be do to the </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>influence and domincance of the "first" world.  I have never heard of </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>traditional homes in either country using paint, styrofoam, it's only until </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>the people have their land base stripped and used for capatilist ventures </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>that they have to resort to surviving using the "machines" products, lets be </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>real, rich ways of life using native substances is what most 3rd countries </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>are known for.  LOOK to the source and you will find we live on the pig!</FONT>
</P>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>

>From: Ben Harrison <bharrison at crystald.com>
 >Reply-To: Ben Harrison <bharrison at crystald.com>
 >To: 'Patrick Newberry' <PNewberry at HFHI.org>, coblist at deatech.com
 >Subject: Cob: RE: RE: RE: Sealing cement roofs
 >Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:51:50 -0800
 >
 >Yes, I understood that they weren't using it for an inside application. I
 >was simlpy suggesting that if they were willing to paint
 >their exterior concrete walls with a mixture of gasoline and styrofoam
 >(which on it's face anyway sounds pretty nasty) then they
 >might also not be aware of the dangers of lead based paints and use those 
 >on
 >their interiors. I was in no way suggesting that
 >"first world" countries are inherently "better" than third world countries.
 >There is alot about this country and capitolism that I
 >despise and am embarrased by. I do think that most people are aware that
 >many "third world" countries don't have the same
 >level of education when it comes to these things or the laws are less 
 >strict
 >when it comes to dealing with toxic substances.
 >That's why so many heartless, money grubbing, American corporations set up
 >shop in these places right? It's a sad reality
 >but a reality none the less. Sorry for the rant.
 >
 >- Ben
 >
 >-----Original Message-----
 >From: Patrick Newberry [<A HREF="mailto:PNewberry at HFHI.org">mailto:PNewberry at HFHI.org</A>]
 >Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 11:01 AM
 >To: coblist at deatech.com
 >Subject: Cob: RE: RE: Sealing cement roofs
 >
 >
 >They were not using it for an inside application, only on the cement roofs
 >to seal. I'm belive it would dry reasonable quickly.  Of course it might be
 >a bad idea, still investigating, of course there are a lot of things get
 >done by  rich educated folks in first world countries  that should not be
 >immiated either, just to make a buck :-)
 >
 >Pat Newberry
 >www.gypsyfarm.com
 >
 >-----Original Message-----
 >From: Ben Harrison [<A HREF="mailto:bharrison at crystald.com">mailto:bharrison at crystald.com</A>]
 >Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 12:50 PM
 >To: Patrick Newberry; coblist at deatech.com
 >Subject: RE: RE: Sealing cement roofs
 >
 >
 >
 >Not only is it not very natural but it sounds like cancer just waiting to
 >happen.
 >I'm sure there are plenty of things the uneducated poor do in third world
 >countries
 >that involve the use of hazardous, cancer causing materials but is that
 >something we
 >want to immitate? They probably still use lead based paints to cover their
 >interior
 >walls too. Don't gamble with your health just to save a buck. :)
 >
 >- Ben
 >
 >-----Original Message-----
 >From: Patrick Newberry [ <A HREF="mailto:PNewberry at HFHI.org">mailto:PNewberry at HFHI.org</A>
 ><<A HREF="mailto:PNewberry at HFHI.org">mailto:PNewberry at HFHI.org</A>> ]
 >Sent: Wednesday, January 15, 2003 7:16 AM
 >To: coblist at deatech.com
 >Subject: Cob: RE: Sealing cement roofs
 >
 >
 >I know this isn't very natural, but I heard about some cement roofs being
 >sealed in Guatamala using old styrofoam and gasoline. Mixed to gether I
 >guess it melts the styrofoam into some type of a substance that can then be
 >painted on to the cement and seal it.
 >
 >This is currently being used on habitat homes in Guatamala.
 >
 >Has anyone else heard of this. I'll be putting a ferro cement roof over the
 >outer section of my cob house and have been looking into fibers (looking at
 >steel and fiberglass) to try to keep it as thin as possible since I am
 >building by hand and must carry the cement up to the roof.
 >
 >Pat
 >www.gypsyfarm.com
 >

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