Cob: Re: we're not in Kansas anymore...

Fri Apr 20 11:43:01 PDT 2001

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Re: Cob: Re: we're not in Kansas anymore...Thank you, Douglas - do not =
aplogize for being a man!  You had some wise insights to share.

As a woman who spent many years in the company of men who fell into your =
first category (especially the part regarding men taking over physical =
labour in the presence of women), in some ways I can understand why =
women would feel empowered by taking a women's-only workshop.  It is =
liberating to have the opportunity to prove (to yourself, if no-one =
else), just what you CAN do.

Or you can get lucky, like I did last fall, and take a workshop run by a =
man who is willing to let you do your best without interfering.  I built =
a large willow arbour with the assistance and direction of a man who let =
ME use three power drills on top of an 8' ladder, and I tell you, it may =
sound hazardous or unfriendly to Mother Earth, but it was one of the =
most liberating experiences of my life.  He helped me work out a design, =
gave me advice when asked, and helped me when asked.  He also commented =
on how good I was with the tools, saying I must have worked on a lot of =
construction projects.  In my head I was remembering how many I had =
worked on - by holding the board.  I made a beautiful, strong arbour =
that day - 8 feet high, 5 feet across, 3 feet deep.  I left behind a =
legacy of frustration.  And I did it with a man who was able to let me =
do it.  So I know it can be done -  it just takes a wise man to make it =
happen.

And I too, believe that it is time for men & women to lay down their =
lack of respect for each other (that underlies so much of this stuff) =
and work side by side, to heal each other and the Earth.

Thanks again Douglas, for having the courage to leap into such a =
contentious issue!

Karin

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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thank you, Douglas - do not aplogize for being a =
man!&nbsp;=20
You had some wise insights to share.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>As a woman who spent many years in the company of =
men who fell=20
into your first category (especially the part regarding men taking over =
physical=20
labour in the presence of women), in some ways I can understand why =
women would=20
feel empowered by taking a women's-only workshop.&nbsp; It is liberating =
to have=20
the opportunity to prove (to yourself, if no-one else), just what you =
CAN=20
do.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Or you can get lucky, like I did last fall, and take =
a=20
workshop run by a man who is willing to let you do your best without=20
interfering.&nbsp; I built a large willow arbour with the assistance and =

direction of a man who let ME use three power drills on top of an 8' =
ladder, and=20
I tell you, it may sound hazardous or unfriendly to Mother Earth, but it =
was one=20
of the most liberating experiences of my life.&nbsp; He helped me work =
out a=20
design, gave me advice when asked, and helped me when asked.&nbsp; He =
also=20
commented on how good I was with the tools, saying I must have worked on =
a lot=20
of construction projects.&nbsp; In my head I was remembering how many I =
had=20
worked on - by holding the board.&nbsp; I made a beautiful, strong =
arbour that=20
day -&nbsp;8 feet high, 5 feet across, 3 feet deep.&nbsp; I left behind =
a legacy=20
of frustration.&nbsp; And I did it with a man who was able to let me do=20
it.&nbsp; So I know it can be done -&nbsp; it just takes a wise man to =
make it=20
happen.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>And I too, believe that it is time for men &amp; =
women to lay=20
down their lack of respect for each other (that underlies so much of =
this stuff)=20
and work side by side, to heal each other and the Earth.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Thanks again Douglas, for having the courage to leap =
into such=20
a contentious issue!</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Karin</FONT></DIV></BODY></HTML>

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