Cob: Re: we're not in Kansas anymore...

Tue Apr 24 20:44:36 CDT 2001

I just wanted to follow up with my thanks to everyone who expressed 
privately and semi-publicly in this forum, an opinion about my rant 
on male only workshops.

Wow, what a complex issue and what varied responses. Your comments 
provoked me to think a bit deeper and also affirmed many of the 
beliefs that I already expressed.

Whether I agree with you or not, there are very strong but tender 
souls in this little meeting place and I am happy to be here...

Thank you,
Douglas

>Thank you, Douglas - do not aplogize for being a man!  You had some 
>wise insights to share.
>
>As a woman who spent many years in the company of men who fell into 
>your first category (especially the part regarding men taking over 
>physical labour in the presence of women), in some ways I can 
>understand why women would feel empowered by taking a women's-only 
>workshop.  It is liberating to have the opportunity to prove (to 
>yourself, if no-one else), just what you CAN do.
>
>Or you can get lucky, like I did last fall, and take a workshop run 
>by a man who is willing to let you do your best without interfering. 
>I built a large willow arbour with the assistance and direction of a 
>man who let ME use three power drills on top of an 8' ladder, and I 
>tell you, it may sound hazardous or unfriendly to Mother Earth, but 
>it was one of the most liberating experiences of my life.  He helped 
>me work out a design, gave me advice when asked, and helped me when 
>asked.  He also commented on how good I was with the tools, saying I 
>must have worked on a lot of construction projects.  In my head I 
>was remembering how many I had worked on - by holding the board.  I 
>made a beautiful, strong arbour that day - 8 feet high, 5 feet 
>across, 3 feet deep.  I left behind a legacy of frustration.  And I 
>did it with a man who was able to let me do it.  So I know it can be 
>done -  it just takes a wise man to make it happen.
>
>And I too, believe that it is time for men & women to lay down their 
>lack of respect for each other (that underlies so much of this 
>stuff) and work side by side, to heal each other and the Earth.
>
>Thanks again Douglas, for having the courage to leap into such a 
>contentious issue!
>
>Karin
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<div>I just wanted to follow up with my thanks to everyone who
expressed privately and semi-publicly in this forum, an opinion about
my rant on male only workshops.</div>
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<div>Wow, what a complex issue and what varied responses. Your
comments provoked me to think a bit deeper and also affirmed many of
the beliefs that I already expressed.</div>
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<div>Whether I agree with you or not, there are very strong but tender
souls in this little meeting place and I am happy to be here...</div>
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<div>Thank you,</div>
<div>Douglas</div>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Thank you, Douglas - do
not aplogize for being a man!  You had some wise insights to
share.</font></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">As a woman who spent many
years in the company of men who fell into your first category
(especially the part regarding men taking over physical labour in the
presence of women), in some ways I can understand why women would feel
empowered by taking a women's-only workshop.  It is liberating to
have the opportunity to prove (to yourself, if no-one else), just what
you CAN do.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Or you can get lucky,
like I did last fall, and take a workshop run by a man who is willing
to let you do your best without interfering.  I built a large
willow arbour with the assistance and direction of a man who let ME
use three power drills on top of an 8' ladder, and I tell you, it may
sound hazardous or unfriendly to Mother Earth, but it was one of the
most liberating experiences of my life.  He helped me work out a
design, gave me advice when asked, and helped me when asked.  He
also commented on how good I was with the tools, saying I must have
worked on a lot of construction projects.  In my head I was
remembering how many I had worked on - by holding the board.  I
made a beautiful, strong arbour that day - 8 feet high, 5 feet
across, 3 feet deep.  I left behind a legacy of frustration. 
And I did it with a man who was able to let me do it.  So I know
it can be done -  it just takes a wise man to make it
happen.</font></blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite> </blockquote>
<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">And I too, believe that
it is time for men & women to lay down their lack of respect for
each other (that underlies so much of this stuff) and work side by
side, to heal each other and the Earth.</font></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Thanks again Douglas, for
having the courage to leap into such a contentious
issue!</font></blockquote>
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<blockquote type="cite" cite><font size="-1">Karin</font></blockquote>
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