Cob: Re: we're not in Kansas anymore...

Wed Apr 25 15:26:16 CDT 2001

Re: Cob: Re: we're not in Kansas anymore...Douglas I signed my self on this
Cob deal for a long time ago, If you know how to get my self off the list I
would really appreciate it

Thanks Lars Richter

  -----Original Message-----
  From: owner-coblist at deatech.com [mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]On
Behalf Of Douglas Ketler Scheffer
  Sent: Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:45 PM
  To: coblist at deatech.com
  Cc: karin.adshead at earthchallenge.com
  Subject: Re: Cob: Re: we're not in Kansas anymore...

  I just wanted to follow up with my thanks to everyone who expressed
privately and semi-publicly in this forum, an opinion about my rant on male
only workshops.

  Wow, what a complex issue and what varied responses. Your comments
provoked me to think a bit deeper and also affirmed many of the beliefs that
I already expressed.

  Whether I agree with you or not, there are very strong but tender souls in
this little meeting place and I am happy to be here...

  Thank you,
  Douglas

    Thank you, Douglas - do not aplogize for being a man!  You had some wise
insights to share.

    As a woman who spent many years in the company of men who fell into your
first category (especially the part regarding men taking over physical
labour in the presence of women), in some ways I can understand why women
would feel empowered by taking a women's-only workshop.  It is liberating to
have the opportunity to prove (to yourself, if no-one else), just what you
CAN do.

    Or you can get lucky, like I did last fall, and take a workshop run by a
man who is willing to let you do your best without interfering.  I built a
large willow arbour with the assistance and direction of a man who let ME
use three power drills on top of an 8' ladder, and I tell you, it may sound
hazardous or unfriendly to Mother Earth, but it was one of the most
liberating experiences of my life.  He helped me work out a design, gave me
advice when asked, and helped me when asked.  He also commented on how good
I was with the tools, saying I must have worked on a lot of construction
projects.  In my head I was remembering how many I had worked on - by
holding the board.  I made a beautiful, strong arbour that day - 8 feet
high, 5 feet across, 3 feet deep.  I left behind a legacy of frustration.
And I did it with a man who was able to let me do it.  So I know it can be
done -  it just takes a wise man to make it happen.

    And I too, believe that it is time for men & women to lay down their
lack of respect for each other (that underlies so much of this stuff) and
work side by side, to heal each other and the Earth.

    Thanks again Douglas, for having the courage to leap into such a
contentious issue!

    Karin

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size=2>Douglas I signed my self on this Cob deal for a long time ago, If you 
know how to get my self off the list I would really appreciate 
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<DIV><SPAN class=570232420-25042001><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>Thanks 
Lars Richter</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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  size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> owner-coblist at deatech.com 
  [mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Douglas Ketler 
  Scheffer<BR><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, April 24, 2001 8:45 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 
  coblist at deatech.com<BR><B>Cc:</B> 
  karin.adshead at earthchallenge.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: Cob: Re: we're not in 
  Kansas anymore...<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
  <DIV>I just wanted to follow up with my thanks to everyone who expressed 
  privately and semi-publicly in this forum, an opinion about my rant on male 
  only workshops.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Wow, what a complex issue and what varied responses. Your comments 
  provoked me to think a bit deeper and also affirmed many of the beliefs that I 
  already expressed.</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Whether I agree with you or not, there are very strong but tender souls 
  in this little meeting place and I am happy to be here...</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV>Thank you,</DIV>
  <DIV>Douglas</DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <DIV><BR></DIV>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT size=-1>Thank you, Douglas - do not 
    aplogize for being a man!  You had some wise insights to 
  share.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT size=-1>As a woman who spent many years 
    in the company of men who fell into your first category (especially the part 
    regarding men taking over physical labour in the presence of women), in some 
    ways I can understand why women would feel empowered by taking a 
    women's-only workshop.  It is liberating to have the opportunity to 
    prove (to yourself, if no-one else), just what you CAN do.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT size=-1>Or you can get lucky, like I did 
    last fall, and take a workshop run by a man who is willing to let you do 
    your best without interfering.  I built a large willow arbour with the 
    assistance and direction of a man who let ME use three power drills on top 
    of an 8' ladder, and I tell you, it may sound hazardous or unfriendly to 
    Mother Earth, but it was one of the most liberating experiences of my 
    life.  He helped me work out a design, gave me advice when asked, and 
    helped me when asked.  He also commented on how good I was with the 
    tools, saying I must have worked on a lot of construction projects.  In 
    my head I was remembering how many I had worked on - by holding the 
    board.  I made a beautiful, strong arbour that day - 8 feet high, 
    5 feet across, 3 feet deep.  I left behind a legacy of 
    frustration.  And I did it with a man who was able to let me do 
    it.  So I know it can be done -  it just takes a wise man to make 
    it happen.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT size=-1>And I too, believe that it is 
    time for men & women to lay down their lack of respect for each other 
    (that underlies so much of this stuff) and work side by side, to heal each 
    other and the Earth.</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT size=-1>Thanks again Douglas, for having 
    the courage to leap into such a contentious issue!</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"> </BLOCKQUOTE>
  <BLOCKQUOTE cite type="cite"><FONT size=-1>Karin</FONT></BLOCKQUOTE>
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