Cob: RE: RE: RE: Mud Hut
Abe Connally
abe at abeconnally.com
Thu Jan 16 15:28:13 CST 2003
RE: Mud HutBen,
That is exactly my point. You shouldn't feel trapped in the the modern
world. Be "part" of it and everything around you, just like the Native
Americans. Your environment is different, but I am sure you will find that
you have a lot in common with a man living 10,000 years ago. Sure, you
could argue that life was simpler, focused, less strssful, etc. But it also
was hard work, dangerous, and extremely difficult (most people had a life
span of about 25 years). The world is always the same, but it is how you
look at it and your surroundings that changes. I am sure that there were
plenty of pre-modern men that felt their life was pretty pointless and drab.
But that is only the perception of what is really there. Look at the world
we live in!!! Be excited that you can communicate with anyone in the world
no matter where you live. I, for one, would not even be living off the
grid, if it hadn't been for the grid. ya know :)
There is the same amount of earth under your feet in San Francisco as the
middle of Africa. Plant a garden in your backyard, make a cob bread oven
(one of my favorite projects because you get to eat your rewards!!!!),
recycle, love life, and have fun!
You can balance modern vs traditional. There is no such thing as third
world, first world. We only have one world. Make the most of it! Cob a
little every day.
Abe
-----Original Message-----
From: Ben Harrison [mailto:bharrison at crystald.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 12:53 PM
To: 'Abe Connally'; coblist at deatech.com
Subject: RE: RE: RE: Mud Hut
Point well taken. I envy you. I'm 37years young, married for 13 years this
month and have an 8year old son.
I work in the video games industry in the Bay area and while I enjoy a
comfortable life style free from debt
except for a very managable mortgage payment, I long for a different kind
of lifestyle. Alot of people would
kill to have my life. I love my family emmensly and would never put my own
desires/excentricities above their
well being but there is a part of me that would love to do what you and so
many of the others on this list are
doing or trying to do. I'm an artist and a dreamer that feels trapped in
this modern life. So, I guess I'll have to
live vicariously through the rest of you and count my blessings.
-----Original Message-----
From: Abe Connally [mailto:abe at abeconnally.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 10:19 AM
To: coblist at deatech.com
Subject: Cob: RE: RE: Mud Hut
Yes,
Joseph Campbell can illustrate the path for anyone. Another good read
of his is "The Hero with a Thousand Faces"
What we must learn is how to merge our current knowledge and technology
with the balance of the past. There is no reason why one cannot have both.
Build with cob, use alternative energy, and still surf the net in the
afternoon. Actually, the best example is this list. A discussion of like
minds that spans continents, but the subject matter is over 10,000 years
old.
My girlfriend and I are building a self-sustainable home nessled in the
mountains of the Chihuahuan desert. We are building out of cob and stone
(both readily available)and including the standard gridless setup (ie..
rainwater catchment, solar and wind energy, passive solar design, etc). We
are also including modern conveniences like High speed satellite internet
access, propane refrigeration, electric lights, etc.
Anything is possible. Just focus your thoughts and energy on what needs
to be accomplished, and then look and what you lack. If done in the right
frame of mind, you will never lack anything.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-coblist at deatech.com [mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]On
Behalf Of Ben Harrison
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:42 AM
To: 'sarah kercheval'; coblist at deatech.com
Subject: Cob: RE: Mud Hut
I happen to own this book. I picked it up from Borders books several
months
ago. It really is a great book. It's pretty much the only
comprehensive book
I've been able to find on "primative architecture" of any kind. I
would highly
recommend it to anyone interested in such things. I thoroughly agree
with Sarah's
sentiments. There used to be a balance between man and nature. When I
look at what
the world has become and the world that the native Americans thrived
in, their world
looks quite utopian by comparison. It was only when man put himself
above nature
(rather than a humble piece within nature) that the slow but steady
march toward this
mess that we have now began. You could blame it on the rise of the
Europeans(of which I'm decended)
but it really goes back to the birth of the the Judao-Christian
religions. There was
a time when my ancestors in Europe lived much like the native
Americans. Yes, like it or not,
religion and science are both equally to blame for the dead end road
we find ourselves racing down.
The Power of Myth by Joseph Campbell is another great book I would
recommend.
-----Original Message-----
From: sarah kercheval [mailto:hi_eagle at hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:15 AM
To: coblist at deatech.com
Subject: Cob: Mud Hut
Yes, I agree, just call it what it is, and be proud!
Check out a really great book called Native American Architecture, the
next
time you're at the library. It is a great resource of natural
buildings
that populated our landscape not too long ago. We are looking to
pruchase
this book in the future to reinforce our proof that what you live in
is not
as important as HOW you live, ie, safe healthy, eco concious living
structures.
The proof positive that these structures are superior, is in the fact
that
they no longer can be seen standing in most places. They are gentler
and
kinder to the earth in that they go back to it when their time is
over.
This is in itself natural.
Sarah
>From: "neana" <neana at terraworld.net>
>Reply-To: "neana" <neana at terraworld.net>
>To: coblist at deatech.com
>Subject: RE: Cob: adobe/cob Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:20:36 -0600
>
>Everytime I mention these concepts to someone who is not 'into
natural
>building', they cut across all of our carefully worded definitions
and
>exclaim, "Are you REALLY going to build a MUD HUT?". Since I have
planned
>an amalgamation(sp?) of methods from the beginning, I have quit
fighting
>and just answer, "Yep. Got a problem with that?".
>
>;)
>Neana
>PS: Very punny, Matt!
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<DIV><SPAN class=080322120-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Ben,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=080322120-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
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<DIV><SPAN class=080322120-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>That
is exactly my point. You shouldn't feel trapped in the the modern
world. Be "part" of it and everything around you, just like the Native
Americans. Your environment is different, but I am sure you will find
that you have a lot in common with a man living 10,000 years ago.
Sure, you could argue that life was simpler, focused, less strssful, etc.
But it also was hard work, dangerous, and extremely difficult (most people had a
life span of about 25 years). The world is always the same, but it is how
you look at it and your surroundings that changes. I am sure that there
were plenty of pre-modern men that felt their life was pretty
pointless and drab.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=080322120-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=080322120-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>But
that is only the perception of what is really there. Look at the world we
live in!!! Be excited that you can communicate with anyone in the world no
matter where you live. I, for one, would not even be living off the grid,
if it hadn't been for the grid. ya know :)</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=080322120-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=080322120-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>There
is the same amount of earth under your feet in San Francisco as the middle of
Africa. Plant a garden in your backyard, make a cob bread oven (one of my
favorite projects because you get to eat your rewards!!!!), recycle, love life,
and have fun!</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=080322120-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=080322120-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>You
can balance modern vs traditional. There is no such thing as third world,
first world. We only have one world. Make the most of it! Cob
a little every day.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=080322120-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=080322120-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Abe</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ben Harrison
[mailto:bharrison at crystald.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 16, 2003
12:53 PM<BR><B>To:</B> 'Abe Connally'; coblist at deatech.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: RE: RE: Mud Hut<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=136283218-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Point well taken. I envy you. I'm 37years young, married for 13 years
this month and have an 8year old son.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=136283218-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
work in the video games industry in the Bay area and while I enjoy a
comfortable life style free from debt</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=136283218-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>except for a very managable mortgage payment, I long for a different
kind of lifestyle. Alot of people would</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=136283218-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>kill
to have my life. I love my family emmensly and would never put my own
desires/excentricities above their</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=136283218-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>well
being but there is a part of me that would love to do what you and so many of
the others on this list are </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=136283218-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>doing or trying to do. I'm an artist and a dreamer that feels trapped
in this modern life. So, I guess I'll have to</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=136283218-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>live
vicariously </FONT></SPAN><SPAN class=136283218-16012003><FONT face=Arial
color=#0000ff size=2>through the rest of you and count my
blessings.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=136283218-16012003><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Abe Connally
[mailto:abe at abeconnally.com]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 16, 2003
10:19 AM<BR><B>To:</B> coblist at deatech.com<BR><B>Subject:</B> Cob: RE: RE:
Mud Hut<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=820181118-16012003>Yes,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=820181118-16012003>Joseph Campbell can illustrate the path for
anyone. Another good read of his is "The Hero with a Thousand
Faces"</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=820181118-16012003>What we must learn is how to merge our current
knowledge and technology with the balance of the past. There is
no reason why one cannot have both. Build with cob, use alternative
energy, and still surf the net in the afternoon. Actually, the best
example is this list. A discussion of like minds that spans
continents, but the subject matter is over 10,000 years
old.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN class=820181118-16012003>My
girlfriend and I are building a self-sustainable home nessled in the
mountains of the Chihuahuan desert. We are building out of cob and
stone (both readily available)and including the standard gridless setup
(ie.. rainwater catchment, solar and wind energy, passive solar design,
etc). We are also including modern conveniences like High speed
satellite internet access, propane refrigeration, electric lights,
etc.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=820181118-16012003>Anything is possible. Just focus your
thoughts and energy on what needs to be accomplished, and then look and what
you lack. If done in the right frame of mind, you will never lack
anything.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2><SPAN
class=820181118-16012003></SPAN></FONT> </DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE dir=ltr style="MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B>
owner-coblist at deatech.com [mailto:owner-coblist at deatech.com]<B>On Behalf
Of </B>Ben Harrison<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, January 16, 2003 11:42
AM<BR><B>To:</B> 'sarah kercheval'; coblist at deatech.com<BR><B>Subject:</B>
Cob: RE: Mud Hut<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<P><FONT size=2>I happen to own this book. I picked it up from Borders
books several months</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>ago. It really is a great
book. It's pretty much the only comprehensive book </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2>I've been able to find on "primative architecture" of any kind. I
would highly </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>recommend it to anyone interested in
such things. I thoroughly agree with Sarah's</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>sentiments. There used to be a balance between man and nature. When
I look at what </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>the world has become and the world
that the native Americans thrived in, their world </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2>looks quite utopian by comparison. It was only when man put himself
above nature</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>(rather than a humble piece within
nature) that the slow but steady march toward this </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2>mess that we have now began. You could blame it on the rise of the
Europeans(of which I'm decended)</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>but it really
goes back to the birth of the the Judao-Christian religions. There
was</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>a time when my ancestors in Europe lived much
like the native Americans. Yes, like it or not, </FONT><BR><FONT
size=2>religion and science are both equally to blame for the dead end
road we find ourselves racing down.</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>The Power of
Myth by Joseph Campbell is another great book I would
recommend. </FONT></P>
<P><FONT size=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>From:
sarah kercheval [<A
href="mailto:hi_eagle at hotmail.com">mailto:hi_eagle at hotmail.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>Sent: Thursday, January 16, 2003 8:15 AM</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>To: coblist at deatech.com</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Subject: Cob: Mud
Hut</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>Yes, I agree, just call it what it is, and be
proud!</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>Check out a really great book called Native
American Architecture, the next </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>time you're at the
library. It is a great resource of natural buildings
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>that populated our landscape not too long
ago. We are looking to pruchase </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>this book in
the future to reinforce our proof that what you live in is not
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>as important as HOW you live, ie, safe healthy,
eco concious living </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>structures.</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>The proof positive that these structures are superior, is in the
fact that </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>they no longer can be seen standing in
most places. They are gentler and </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>kinder to
the earth in that they go back to it when their time is over.</FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>This is in itself natural.</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>Sarah</FONT> </P><BR>
<P><FONT size=2>>From: "neana" <neana at terraworld.net></FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>>Reply-To: "neana" <neana at terraworld.net></FONT>
<BR><FONT size=2>>To: coblist at deatech.com</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>Subject: RE: Cob: adobe/cob Date: Thu, 16 Jan 2003 09:20:36
-0600</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>Everytime I
mention these concepts to someone who is not 'into natural
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>building', they cut across all of our
carefully worded definitions and </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>exclaim, "Are
you REALLY going to build a MUD HUT?". Since I have planned
</FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>an amalgamation(sp?) of methods from the
beginning, I have quit fighting </FONT><BR><FONT size=2>>and just
answer, "Yep. Got a problem with that?".</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>></FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>;)</FONT> <BR><FONT
size=2>>Neana</FONT> <BR><FONT size=2>>PS: Very punny, Matt!</FONT>
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